saying loli is drawn child porn
:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.
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Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.
It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.
The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!
It's Japanese culture in the same way guns are American culture. You don't have to like every aspect of your culture, but Japan is still the place loli/shota was crystalized into an artform, and America is still the country with the most guns by an extremely wide margin.
I've seen people get called a "pedophile" for liking Konata Izumi, a 17-18 year old character from the series Lucky Star. They weren't even called that because they were posting porn, they were called that because they liked to collect SFW art of her. Do you expect people to not create porn of her as well because someone might find it offensive however? It's so absurd to me.
The first thing I learned in therapy for PTSD is that I will get triggered, I will never be able to avoid my triggers forever, and that it's unhealthy to even try. I need to be able to handle triggers, which over time helps lessen their impact on my life. I don't see why other people should be denied enjoying something that harms no one just because it puts me on edge.
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I don't even care about the ruling. I just hate that people keep conflating loli/shota with children when it really has nothing to do with that.
But yeah it's wild how people have issues with drawings.
I know and agree. People will tell you characters like Tatsumaki from One Punch Man is "minor coded". Rev Says Desu has great videos on these people freaking out over nothing.
The sad irony is that organizations that deal with actually helping stop actual predators have to tell people to stop reporting drawings because it's flooding their tip boxes.
I'm a CSA survivor myself and the virtue signaling people do around this topic triggers me almost as much as abusers themselves. I don't like people speaking for me, especially when they can't tell the difference between a drawing and an actual person.
Japanese culture can do what it wants.
I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.
Call me crazy, I know
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You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.
citing a shitty dictionary doesn't change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.
Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya
Attacking people doesn't really help your point. Might want to think about that for a moment before replying like that.
Nah I'm good
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I don't need a dictionary to know how to speak english. loli/shota are well understood words in the weeb community. they don't refer to kids.
also, I don't look at that kind of hentai lol. but notably: loli/shota do not refer to nsfw things. there is sfw loli/shota pics and nsfw ones.
I have a hunch you're probably fine with actually illegal porn though while outcrying about this perfectly legal stuff.
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well this is the strength of the fediverse, some instances can choose to go off the rails and it doesn't affect the others
You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.
They voted? How? How many people are even in that community so far? Seems like the kind of thing to revisit as it grows.
I can't answer because I was banned for saying allowing loli was a bad move, lol
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I don't know, but they wrote so in the post the OP quoted.
Yeah - but not a single response to the post - agrees.
I honestly can't tell you anything you couldn't read up in the quoted original post of this thread. I read about it a few minutes ago, so you're as well-informed about it as me.
Yeah that's what I meant - I didn't see a single comment on the announcement post - that agreed with the mod. They are all saying it's a stupid decision, many are threatening to report any clearly underage content - whether it's drawn or not.
The mod might have made the decision, but the users don't agree with it at all.
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Yes, that isnt an issue.
The issue is for those looking for a NSFW instance that dont want to associate with child porn
You don't have to join an instance to access their content, though. And if something pops up in your timeline if you select "All", you can still block the whole community without losing access to others hosted on that server.
Yes, I am aware of this.
The point of the thread though is to point out that the instance likely isn't one that most people looking for a reddit NSFW alternative is one that they want to associate with, and to ask if there are any other alternatives yet
You don't associate with an instance by accessing content from it. You do by signing up there and accessing the fediverse as a whole on that account.
...and if the content there is loli, why would I want to go there?
And yes, using an instance is associating with it.
I don't care if people want to jerk off to drawn pictures of kids.
I'm pointing out that most people don't, so its not a suitable instance for the majority of people, and asking if there are any alternatives yet.
You're absolutely correct. By using said instance you're helping to build their community (to whatever degree) and by extension supporting the problematic part of the instance.
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The more recent clarification post says they're prohibiting drawn CP (https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826)
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This is so fucked up.
I was pretty shocked by m/random. It's not a nsfw magazine and yet it is full of porn from lemmynsfw.com. I'm not anti porn, but I was a bit shocked as I'm just flicking through kbin at home.
My problem isn't with NSFW stuff being allowed on the fediverse. I think there is a place for it.
I just want it to be a place where I don't have to scroll past drawn pictures of naked kids.
Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want. They aren't going to be the place that the majority of people want to visit when it allows that shit though.
The point of this thread is to highlight that the server in question likely isn't the place most people who are looking for NSFW is looking for, and to find out if there are any other alternatives
m/random provides unsorted/uncategorized posts. so basically just a mess of everything across the fediverse, along with stuff that people intentionally post in there.
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You're surprised that the internet is full of porn?
it's kinda funny the people most up in arms about loli/shota stuff are also the ones telling people to not "kinkshame".
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Yikes. As long as it’s not actual children it’s fine by me. They’re an NSFW server after all.
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Bad take
I don't think everyone would think of that as 'drawn child porn'. Plenty of live action 'school girl' stuff out there and that usually gets a pass. Pretty much every amateur video is implied to be incestuous now, are they promoting having sex with school kids and incest?
Terms like 'barely legal' and 'young teen' are used all the time, do you think there aren't people out there imagining those girls being younger than 18? If some Loli drawings are where you draw the line then it seems like an odd place to do so. Does nothing for me personally, I prefer drawings of young boys misbehaving, swearing and defecating /s (South Park).
I'm not here to argue about the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
I don't care. Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want.
The point is there is going to be NSFW instances, and im:
a) warning people not interested in that shit that lemmynsfw is not the place to go, and
b) asking if there are any other alternatives
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I had to go find the thread being referenced, it's here for anyone else who hasn't seen it: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42348
I took the time to post my own thoughts in the thread, which I've reproduced here:
It seems a lot of people have very strong negative reactions to anything which is too close to children in pornography. I don't think that's an especially bad thing, but in my mind the only reason to be against minors in pornography is to protect those same minors from harm.
As an analogy, I find scat porn disgusting. But that doesn't mean it should be banned, as long as all parties are able to consent and no harm is done.
When it comes to non-child-coded drawings (though with childish proportions), I don't see the harm or lack of consent. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about the content, it shouldn't be banned.
Again, not here to discuss the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
Not trying to shut down the instance.
I don't care.
I'm just warning people who don't like that shit, that is most people, that the instance owner is cool with that content so if you aren't into it then probably look elsewhere.
A secondary point was asking if there are any alternatives yet.
I know there will be, I'm just wondering if there is
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