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Hey there!

First off, I wanted to say on behalf of the entire mod team that we hoped this place would be successful but none of us expected to reach over 1,000 subscribers in 96 hours. That's incredible and we are extremely humbled and grateful. The community has thrived and we're so happy to see so many people engaging with the community, whether thats posts or comments. Things have really kicked off and we hope things only get better from here!

That being said, we as mods do have some work to do. This community was made with the idea that we would have clear rules written for our users so you knew when to expect intervention from the moderation team. We're all pretty new at this and while we have the advice and experience of others who have been doing this for far long, we do have to still update things as they go.

There have been some posts made recently that were reported and brought to light. The mod team has been discussing it behind the scenes and we decided we needed to address it by adding a couple of more rules to the sidebar. If we started removing posts without giving explanations on the side of what to expect, then we've failed in our original purpose for the community. So the new rules being added are as follows:

The first new one is No AI Art. It hurts the creative community overall but is also very low-effort in general. There are many communities in which AI can work but this isn't one of them.

The second is No reposts within 1-2 months. We're keeping the timeframe vague because mistakes happen and you might not be aware of if posts did happen at all. Then there's the factor of how popular that post was and whether it would have easily been seen. However we're really generous and understand that not everyone is active at all times. Reposts within 48 hours? That's something different.

The third new one is Limit of 3-4 posts per hour. Honestly that's probably more than anyone really needs to begin with but we don't want to hamper the community. If things grow and activity does too then we can definitely revisit this but as it stands, posting 5 posts within the space of 30 minutes is essentially spam.

We hope that everyone understands the changes we've made and that more changes may come in the future, especially so early on in the lifespan of /c/TenForward. Thank you guys for your time, patience, activity, engagement and love. We all feel it here at the mod team and reflect it back at you.

Live long and prosper!

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[-] Blackout@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

What about the rule no reheating fish in the replicators. The smell never leaves

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

Do replicators reheat? I've been using my phasor, stun for 15 seconds is enough for most meals.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

15 seconds? ... oh ... gotta turn it down then ... been wondering why my fish keeps evaporating like that

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago

Wait, YOU'RE the one that keeps setting off the ship's alarm?

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

... That's not the done timer?

[-] Apeman42@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Today's fish is trout a la creme. Enjoy your meal!

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] Apeman42@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Today’s fish is trout a la creme. Enjoy your meal!

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I wonder if people in Star Trek ever just put the food back in the replicator to be reconstituted as the same thing, but warmer?

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's the real reason why the saucer separation was invented.

[-] negativenull@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

That's definitely worthy of consideration

[-] kellyaster@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I was one of the A.I.-generated art posters. I'm slightly bummed, but I get it. There are moral issues to consider, and it does require relatively little effort on the creative side. I mean, I myself do prefer seeing custom stuff that was created manually by community members.

So glad to see the transparency with rule changes/additions. You guys are doing all right. Thanks for making this a fun, cozy, safe place to hang out in.

[-] invertedspear@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

Create a community titled “Holodeck” for AIgen Star Trek content.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 10 months ago

i think this is a brilliant idea

[-] armus@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago

That is a pretty good compromise

[-] Pepsi@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Oh no you’ll have to post your AI-generated schlock to one of the 10,000 ai-gen communities instead of spamming popular communities

[-] kellyaster@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Well, that was rude and uncalled for. What did I ever do to you?

[-] armus@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago

I thought your post was really reasonable and conciliatory despite the fact that you were feeling disappointed. I like the idea of a separate sub called holodeck for AI trek stuff. Or otherwise use your creations in the comment sections here to change people’s opinions over time? It’s still in its infancy

[-] yildo@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Thank you! Curation is important for keeping the content worthwhile

[-] armus@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago
[-] espais@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

When I used to mod on startrekgifs we had a similar rule of no more than 4 posts in 24 hrs. Pain to check but definitely keeps the quality of content up 👍.

Nice work on the rules!

[-] DestroyerOfWorlds@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago
[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nice work guys ... keep it up .. the goal is not to be the best the fastest ... instead to just grow slowly and with purpose

And also, take care of yourselves too ... this may be just an online community but we do have to watch out for everyone's mental health as well ... both for our community members and our mods ... everyone is a person and we all have the responsibility of looking out for one another.

Thanks again guys, you're doing a great job!

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm going to piggyback on this post to say hey to the community, and also - as a lover of posting Star Trek nonsense - that I'm happy to be helping out with some of the moderating.

I also want to communicate that while our goal is to add clear, common-sense rules to the sidebar as needed, it's impossible to predict every single situation that could occur, so there's still going to be an element of judgement in resolving some things. In those instances, I believe that having a large group of mods who are all very active in the community and can consult with each other is a decent strategy to reduce errors in individual judgment, however we're also human, so if you feel that we need to reconsider something, feel free to DM one of us and we'll bring it up to the group.

We're all just looking to laugh at memes and geek out over cool Trek stuff at the end of the day. See y'all around!

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Congrats on the insane amount of people that beamed aboard, that's awesome!

[-] BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

TNG Up the Long Ladder There's so many of us, they've started putting us in Cargo Hold 7.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

When you say no AI, I'm assuming this refers specifically to prompt-based generative AI tools like MidJourney. Are we allowed to use those kind of images within more traditional meme production?

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] PakledBrain@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Funny seeing "No AI" after loudly demanding that the Risa mod allow AI content.

[-] pimento64@sopuli.xyz -1 points 10 months ago

The first new one is No AI Art

Based

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Well, on the one hand, extremely disappointed to see the anti-AI bandwagon driving through here too. It's particularly ironic that a meme community has rules like this, already 99% consisting of existing content recycled and pasted together like how people often misunderstand AI to work.

But at least the rule is explicit, so it's a small step up from c/risa, I guess.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

As one of the mods who agreed to the no AI rule, it has nothing to do with the whole AI stealing art debate (to me anyway), it's the low quality nature of the AI posts. AI just doesn't do Star Trek properly and it definitely doesn't do the faces of Star Trek actors properly. That's why I was against AI posts.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

I believe that rules should be about what the actual problem is. If memes and shitposts that don't "do the faces properly" are the problem, make a rule against that.

AI can be part of a workflow, it's not just "throw down a prompt and then shovel whatever comes out onto tenforward." The image might not have any faces in it, or the faces might not have been part of what the AI touched - I use inpainting on "real" pictures frequently, for example.

And in six months time, the state of the art in AI image generation may have reached the point where this reason is no longer viable, and AI Star Trek actors are indistinguishable from the real thing. Will this rule be revisited regularly?

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

Holy shit, no kidding. Some actors it likes, others… I once tried to make a group photo with all the captains, I tried many different models, lots of tricks (plenty of advancements since then, I could probably pull it off nowadays) and it was a disaster. I’ll post one or two of those if I can find them again, absolute waste of an afternoon.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

In my experience so far, it rarely even gets the Enterprise right. Any of them.

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

That’s actually a good example, “any of them”. Unless the model is trained by someone with specific interest in Star Trek, the Enterprise has… what, 60 years of different reinterpretations? I enjoy generative AI, and made let’s call it an extension to be able to make the old Fiat Panda. Without it, you’d get either the new one, or randomness. And with my efforts now it’s possible to get-ish it. My dataset wasn’t the greatest quality or variety, plus I didn’t put a ton of effort into tagging the single pictures so it’s not very flexible or particularly good. It works sufficiently well and I’m happy with it, but I’m very aware of its shortcomings… namely that I didn’t tag any picture with the orientation of the car. It is however a car so it has a basic framework to show it, while the Enterprise? Not the most simple subject to reproduce. Anyway you don’t really care, sorry for that minor wall of text :D

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

No, I do care. I find it interesting. I mostly just play with Microsoft's image generator, but the whole thing is interesting to me.

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago

Depending on your hardware you might be able to generate images without using any service! For all its quirks, downsides and moral stuff, it can be a lot of fun to play with. If you’re on Apple hardware, try my favorite tool, Draw Things https://apps.apple.com/it/app/draw-things-ai-generation/id6444050820?l=en-GB that is free, without ads and worst case scenario it runs like crap on your device if it’s not very modern. If you’re not using Apple gear, Enfugue (that still supports Macs) https://github.com/painebenjamin/app.enfugue.ai is quite simple and easy to install.

And obviously what’s probably the most popular option, the behemoth that is known as automatic1111 stable diffusion webui https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui that’s not the most user friendly solution but…

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I appreciate the advice, but I don't think those work for me because I am currently on Apple hardware, but it is too old to run those sort of apps. It's an Intel iMac. I'm not a huge Apple fan, but I have needed Macs for work for many years, but I'm no longer working and won't be for a while. I'm going to replace it with a Linux machine as soon as it dies, but I don't see a reason to until it does.

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

Perfectly sensible is the only thing I can say about it :)

[-] Xariphon@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Hate the no AI rule. Utterly nonsense bandwagon.

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

I never expected to encounter a backwards looking, anti-new technology, anti-automation, pro-scarcity, anti-AI sentiment coming from a Star Trek sub of all places.

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Re-route power to the shields, emit a tachyon pulse through the deflector, and post all the nonsense you want. Within reason of course.

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