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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/10958052

Vanguard, the controversial anti-cheat software initially attached to Valorant, is now also coming to League of Legends.

Summary:

The article discusses Riot Games' requirement for players to install their Vanguard anti-cheat software, which runs at the kernel level, in order to play their games such as League of Legends and Valorant. The software aims to combat cheating by scanning for known vulnerabilities and blocking them, as well as monitoring for suspicious activity while the game is being played. However, the use of kernel-level software raises concerns about privacy and security, as it grants the company complete access to users' devices.

The article highlights that Riot Games is owned by Tencent, a Chinese tech giant that has been involved in censorship and surveillance activities in China. This raises concerns that Vanguard could potentially be used for similar purposes, such as monitoring players' activity and restricting free speech in-game.

Ultimately, the decision to install Vanguard rests with players, but the article urges caution and encourages players to consider the potential risks and implications before doing so.

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[-] Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One more reason to switch to Linux! (It can't run Valorant)

[-] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but if it can't run Valorant then it can't run the game in general, so you'd be just as well off by not playing Riot games on a Windoze or Mac machine as well.

[-] Tak@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

I'm ok with running a VM to run software if I absolutely have to but this won't even let you do that.

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[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 months ago

Meh just another crappy rootkit game that doesn't even fully prevent cheating at the cost of undermining system security. But for worse or worse, the entire playerbase doesn't care about their data being bought and sold for immense profits they get 0% of.

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Oh. Now I remember why I have never played League of Legends.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 10 points 5 months ago

You've never played League of Legends because they just now introduced kernal level anti cheat? That doesn't even make sense.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 months ago

Don't play at first, because the game fosters toxicity like hell. Keep not playing due to the kernel-level anticheat.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

More like Anti-Linux Software since the cheat works great.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 8 points 5 months ago

since the cheat works great.

I've heard that cheaters are very rampent in Valorant, so not really effective anti cheat software.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

But as anti-linux is amazing. 👌

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

yeah... and I'm a bit sad, since I really think that Valorant is fun (with friends), but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

[-] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 months ago

You know, Valve once considered making an entire OS to prevent cheating. I'd assume something like SteamOS, but incredibly locked down and designed for playing Valve games. Obviously that never got past the idea stage, but disregarding the truckload of issues with that idea, one big one is that you could use either physical cheating tools, by messing with the direct hardware inputs, or run it in a VM. Basically, unless you have a player in a locked-off room, with a pc, keyboard, and mouse provided by you, and the pc running your own locked-down OS... well, someone's gonna figure out a way to cheat.

That's not to say that anticheat can be ignored entirely, but since there is no remotely reasonable state which could eradicate cheating entirely, you need to find a happy medium of not "infecting" the player's pc with a new backdoor, because even if you're not malicious, someone else will be, and nothing at all. Something that has a minimum level of invasiveness with a maximum level of cheating prevention, at least filtering out basic script kiddies.

The problem with that is, nobody cares. Basically nobody even knows what a "Kernel" is and what "Kernel-level" means and implies, so it's just some weird anticheat for them. Also, as long as DRM doesn't interfere with their playing experience, they don't care either. Barely anyone will even notice if a few frames are missing, because Denuvo is chilling in the background, keeping the game "safe".

We are a subset of privacy-minded people in a subset of somewhat knowledgeable gamers. Losing us as customers doesn't matter in the slightest to the devs/publishers, and nobody else will make a fuss, or at least they'll not stop spending money.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

The problem with that is, nobody cares. Basically nobody even knows what a “Kernel” is and what “Kernel-level” means and implies, so it’s just some weird anticheat for them. Also, as long as DRM doesn’t interfere with their playing experience, they don’t care either. Barely anyone will even notice if a few frames are missing, because Denuvo is chilling in the background, keeping the game “safe”.

We are a subset of privacy-minded people in a subset of somewhat knowledgeable gamers. Losing us as customers doesn’t matter in the slightest to the devs/publishers, and nobody else will make a fuss, or at least they’ll not stop spending money.

Yeah, computer illiteracy is pretty bad. Those who don't care make the most money to companies, and they don't even care how the companies invade their privacy and or security.

[-] Jako301@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago

The first crack took around 4 days.

The only difference us that cheats now cost more money than before.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Riot Games Now Requires Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat Software

In other words, a Chinese rootkit. Wouldn't want a Chinese backdoor in my kernel, but that's just my personal opinion. If you want one, go ahead, install this garbage.

[-] kionite231@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

You already have NSA backdoors in your device.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Well, if you install this Riot Games rootkit, you now also have a Chinese backdoor.

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[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 14 points 5 months ago

Just don't buy it. It's very simple.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago
[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago

Don't play it, then

[-] NotJustForMe@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

My biggest issue wouldn't even be the kernel level access, but the fact that the stuff is written and tested by no one in particular. The possible bugs are the issue for me.

If that thing would be bullet-proof, hackers trying for years to break it without success, yeah. Ok. I could be convinced. If it is cracked after two days already... Then nope.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Will their future MMO have this trash?

[-] DeafeningDistance@feddit.ch 7 points 5 months ago

It's likely, but I do really hope it's not put into the MMO as I would love to play a Riot MMO. I won't be installing it if it uses Vanguard.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Same. I miss the IP (especially Arcane) & the friends I made playing LoL—and I think I could have a good time living in the world, but not at the cost of compromising device permissions. Same reason I refuse to use my shitty banking app if they try to tell me what software I can & can’t run/install or how to operate the device I own.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 5 months ago
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