Aotearoa daily kōrero 21/07/2023 (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works to c/newzealand@lemmy.nz

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I've hidden this 'cos it's a dupe and the other has more accurate conversation

Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!

Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!

Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.

So how’s it going?

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[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Holidaying in brisbane so it looks like I've beat @Dave to the creation (no thanks to the building site across the road!)

I've got a contentious question however: How does one get an exemption from home detention in order to work on a job?

I get that this is likely a rehabilitation measure and generally a good thing, but it stands out like the proverbial dogs bollocks in the awful situation around the AKL shooting...

Smells of underpaid prison labour, too, but I really am jumping to conclusions here.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You didn't beat me! https://lemmy.nz/post/496298

For some reason today I put 07 for July instead of just 7, so the duplicate detection wouldn't have brought it up.

But anyway...

I’ve got a contentious question however: How does one get an exemption from home detention in order to work on a job?

If you prevent someone from going to their job they already have, then they lose their job. They then become more likely to commit crimes in future because now they have no money, no reason to get up in the morning, nothing to fill their time with.

The idea is solid, but for violent crime like this dude, maybe it should be treated a little different.

Smells of underpaid prison labour, too, but I really am jumping to conclusions here.

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but most likely this was a job he was already working at before his sentencing and is getting paid for. Getting him fired is not helpful for getting his life back on track.

I'd guess in a perfect world he should have been able to return to work supervised, with mandated anger management and mental health support. But we aren't willing to spend money on that so what can you do.

[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Dang, I remember pausing to consider whether I should pad the zeros or not! But if it's too weird to use yyyy mm dd then they simply must be padded, or my nerdiness will have a fit :)

I figured home D was kind of a parole measure, but that's a good point, he may not have been inside the prison system beforehand - this could just be an awkward systematic failing, with tragic results...

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Oh you put the 0! Oh it could have gone either way. I presumed it was me because it seemed like a perfectly reasonable thing to do 😆

I figured home D was kind of a parole measure, but that’s a good point, he may not have been inside the prison system beforehand - this could just be an awkward systematic failing, with tragic results…

I've talked a little bit about a book I've been reading that shows that any professional judgement (judge deciding to allow someone an exemption, insurance quoter giving a big company a custom quote, deciding to grant someone asylum or not, etc) will inevitability have a huge range in decision outcomes based on the person making the decision (unless there's a mandatory framework to base it on). It's just really hard to make these judgment calls, and when they tested bail decisions (yes/no) judges were only right about 55% of the time (barely better than chance).

https://lemmy.nz/comment/1039025