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submitted 2 years ago by Showervagina@lemmy.ml to c/chat@beehaw.org

I've never been sentimental about a social media site but it's sad for me to see reddit so clearly killing itself. Pushshift is already banned and Apollo is soon to follow. Reddit will either pivot fully to a mainstream audience or die out. It's just sad for me to see it doing it to itself.

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[-] DiscoShrew 8 points 2 years ago

I think, at a fundamental level the Reddit I am mourning isn't Reddit as it exists now, but perhaps how I imagine it did ten or so years ago, the so called "Early Days". We're all here now because Reddit at is now is unsustainable and actively hostile against it's users. The contradiction between the need for monetization of the userbase and the userbases disgust at being monetized. This isn't a recent occurrence but sometimes we need to get a bit of a kick to realize how bad its been, in retrospect.

I do know, as many fellow tech people do, whenever I have to look into a problem I haven't encountered before, appending "Reddit" to the search often leads me closer to an answer. I will miss that, as it had become so well indexed. Lemmy isn't there yet in terms of being indexed.

[-] luna@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Beginning to? No. That happened years ago. It was clear several years ago that they were taking the site in a direction I didn't like. Around the time that "new" reddit was released along with the official app.

[-] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Exact same for me, the re-design and the official app were major red flags but since they kept old.reddit and my 3rd party app (RIF) I was still happy even though the community of reddit was obviously degrading... I feel like having an alternative that is viable that is completely free of the commercial trappings such as lemmy here is something that is super appealing to me. I think lemmy is still in a very early phase and I am glad to be here to see what happens.

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[-] freshhotbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Federated is the way that Reddit needed to go, so the transition from Reddit to Lemmy is just what we needed. Now, whoever wants to create a community and moderate it according to their own rules can do so.

[-] sailsperson@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Eh, I liked the fact that Reddit has boilerplate rules for everyone to follow, basically. I know a lot of that is ignored, but it's not a bad idea.

The coolest thing about having all that federated is the non-monolithic approach. Different instances can kinda be seen like different backups, especially during the first waves of power users happily self-hosting instances. Everybody wins when there's a healthy balance between what kind of power the everymen and the more powerful ones have. Not that there's some looming overseer for Lemmy, but the point remains.

[-] rss3091@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Yup. I've been on reddit for the past decade, on and off, through a couple of different accounts (got banned from r/comicbooks for posting a spider-man comic in its entirety), and I discovered so many great books, movies, tv shows through it. I gave therapy a shot because of people on r/getting_over_it, and it's made a significant difference in my life.

It just sucks how much awesome stuff and communities are going to be destroyed because of corporate greed.

[-] President_Pyrus@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago

I am beginning to mourn what reddit was. Not what it is or what it is going to turn into.

[-] Manticore@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If by 'mourn reddit' you mean 'process the idea that reddit is as good as dead' then yes.

I'm not missing it much, though. I like the social engagement part, and I like the getting news part. I used the time-killing part. Lemmy is social engagement and so far it feels much more engaged, more concentrated, less fluff. And the news in Reddit is 1) mostly America-centric anyway and 2) linked from other sources of questionable repute. And time-killing is something I should do less of.

It's a nice place to find answers and guides, enough so that I use 'reddit' as an additional search term if I want relevant, accessible answers that are willing to call out a product's design for being at fault (if relevant) and suggestion unaffiliated alternatives.

But the communities, the content? I'd barely been engaged there for a year. I loaded it a lot, almost every day; I read it plenty. But I didn't actually enjoy it very much.

Leaving it behind completely will be difficult when it's still the best aggregate of user-generated content, at least for now. But actually commenting or posting in it... I'll be fine.

[-] Senseibull@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

No I don’t mourn it, it became mainstream around 2014 and went downhill from there imv. The front page was full of rage politics and the comments became really toxic. Everyone got drowned out, spreading that audience across multiple sites might be a good thing in the end. End the hive mind

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[-] Sparkko@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I subconsciously open Sync for Reddit and start scrolling about 50 times every day. Just joined here and installed Jerboa to try to supplement the habit. I love the environment here, but boy is it clunky and the content is so much more limited than Reddit. I'm definitely going to miss it, but I'll adapt.

[-] GreenCrush@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I think what I'm most sad about is losing easily searchable information. Finding an obsscure thread about some weird question I had is great. Maybe that will be preserved somehow. Idk. That and the more unhinged reddit posts and copypastas throughout history.

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[-] Kuroneko@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

I’m definitely going to miss using Apollo, as well as the subreddits I frequented. What I won’t miss are the subs dedicated to misinformation and intolerance that have been allowed to fester for way too long. I have high hopes that Beehaw will do a good job at keeping that crap out.

[-] Sabata11792@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

Been mourning for years. I'm finally over it.

[-] Iapar@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

Not sad at all. Because of the way reddit treated the community, I like seeing it collapsed.

[-] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Relationships with products are worth thinking about. Reddit, other people's content was the product. Reddit was just the gatekeeper. Most social media sites are like this. They want to be able to control what we see so that they can sell that access. Then once they have control they can really ratchet up the costs. Facebook's walled garden is an example. You might remember the video content apocalypse several years ago. That was one of their attempts to control what everyone saw and it turned out all their watch time data was bullshit and their ad rev fell out the bottom and ruined 100s of great shows and stifled careers. After Hours on Cracked even mentions it in their own show, rip. Not that they're good otherwise, but Reddit saw chatGPT just make a fuckzillion dollars off of Reddit data and realized they were being too generous with their gatekeeping.

I'm not at all sad about walking away from that kind of relationship.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

[-] melodicangel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I've never been too sentimental about anything dying or changing into something else. Especially with Reddit since the CEO is so hell bent on converting it into your typical social media.

But no, I'm not too sad about it. Everything has it's time. Things come and go but the memories you make there certainly aren't invalidated by things going to shit.

[-] SoaringDE@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

I'd be more sad if the CEO wasn't such an idiot.

[-] madmonki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

If enough people comes to lemmy it will be the same content. No need to mourn a big centralized social media platform.

[-] Cowbob45@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

I was introduced to Reddit thanks to CGPgrey and have been using it since high school, It's definitely sad to see it dying but I'll just treat it as the end of yet another phase of the internet. Such is the will of the sands of time.

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not really, This seems just as good, plus its a smaller community so not as many assholes.

[-] aaronbieber@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Can we also have a moment of silence for all the other great link sites that have died?

Stumbleupon, kuro5hin, digg, fark (still exists technically but as a shell of its former self)

What was your favorite before reddit?

[-] Hexorg@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Maybe I’m dating myself but before Reddit it was just rss feeds for me 😅

[-] Thrashy@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

/. for me. Pass the aspirin...

[-] aaronbieber@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Slashdot isn't really dead though is it? Still very active, just, not as popular perhaps.

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[-] Nullroad@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

In a way, I mourned for reddit a long time ago. I stumbled (literally, stumbleUpon'd) reddit way back before the great Digg migration, when it was still mostly a haven for techies. The site went through a great many changes. Some good, some bad, some just... different.

At some point it got a little much. I've known for a number of years that I was growing increasingly alienated from it. Part of it was the Nazis and Reddit's inability or unwillingness to deal with any of the hate and bots. Part of it was the pervasive meme / low effort image culture. Those things were always there, but there was a time it'd get you the stink eye and an annoyed upvote.

Besides Hackernews (which has always been full of a certain Silicon Valley type), there wasn't really too many places to go. I've just been kinda waiting in the funeral parlor, hoping a ride to something else would come while I mostly browse the niche subreddits.

It's my hope that this incident starts the seeds of old forum culture as expressed through multiple lemmys. That's a pretty ambitious hope, but still. It's well past the time for the big social media networks to break up.

[-] Clodsire@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

its sucks to see a site you used to like slowy becoming worst and worst, but its always better to look for alternatives over sinking with the ship

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[-] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

I didn't mourn Digg, I won't mourn Reddit.

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Personally, I've moved past that stage to the urinating on its grave stage.

[-] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

It's normal to grieve. If reddit were a spouse, I'd have one hell of a marriage (in a good way). Eleven years and multiple hours of interaction each day?

I've grown concerned how reddit has such a monopoly on message boards. (As I am still concerned at the monopoly Twitter has had). Like, it's to a point where I was googling the word "reddit" next to my question to get good answers. This is a testament to the community there.

The nice thing here is that Lemmy demonstrates that some competition exists. I can still have a fun chat online without relying solely on one company.

[-] jursed@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

for me its going to be very melancholic to see something I've (unfortunately) spent years on. I will actually be sad to see it go, not the app itself but all the smaller communities and the wiki's and all the knowledge that was shared. It was inevitable but I didn't think it would be so soon or so quick.

At the same time, good riddance.

[-] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

I've been mourning Reddit since the r/all porn ban. Content quality overall went downhill, and there were no distractions to the decline left.

For me, this past week or so has just been watching the death throes, and finally looking for something else to move to.

[-] Mac@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

No, Reddit is trash. What you're missing is the small communities that made it worth enduring. Those communities are created and inhabited by people like us. They will live on somewhere else—maybe even here.

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[-] bnaur@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sentimental in the sense that I have been a Reddit user for 16 years and this makes me feel really really old. And in internet years Reddit is even older, I would have excepted it to die already years ago and it seems exceptional that it has kept going for this long.

Back when Reddit was starting to get popular I was mildly annoyed and suspicious of it and all these other new fangled web2.0 things but slowly it replaced random forums, news groups, irc and other old school platforms for me. To me Reddit sits somewhere between those and the more modern and "social" web platforms and as such it feels like a relic from the early 2000s that probably has no place in the modern internet. Bit like me myself actually ("Hey, you should post that on Reddit!" is the usual ironic response that I get from my kids whenever I say something really funny or insightful...)

And like others here I'm worried about all the niche communities and losing the vast source of content that Reddit has accumulated. Sure, most of it is low effort shit as usual but especially with how bad Google has become Reddit is now my first choice when I need to get an overview of some new topic.

That said I have been planning to delete my Reddit account for a while now. After all these years it has got stale, the hive mind is predictable and it feels like I have seen all the same conversations and topics already too many times. I don't need to read any threads on more popular subs since I already know what the most upvoted opinions, memes and jokes are going to be. And it seems like every few years they piss off their userbase in some way, who then threaten to quit and find something better and surely this the end of Reddit, and then nothing happens.

It's old. I think it's time to let it go now.

[-] jezebelley@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I'll still be browsing it with Reeder 5. When they shut off RSS then I'll be completely gone.

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[-] BreadDog@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Yes and no, as a 12 year vet.

Reddit is not what it was when I joined. Back in the early 2010's reddit really felt like the internet's evolution from forums. Not going to pretend it was the first, but it really did feel like something was special about it. The community aspect was really important back then. All of the sudden, it felt like you could literally build a community around anything, with little effort, and the "Build it and they will come" factor would kick in.

But things have spoiled since then. We have over a decade worth of "Eternal Septembers", and being a redditor turned into "being a redditor" has turned into, we'll it's just another part of social media infrastructure. Pretty much everybody I know who has use the site has basically sectioned themselves off from using the site as a a whole and just have their specific subs that they browse. I'm a programmer so I basically just use it for the programming subs and different games I play like OSRS, Factorio, etc.

And I guess, a last thought, I don't think reddit is going to die from this. I would wager the vast majority of the userbase really doesn't give a shit, and to be honest, that is fine. Like I said, reddit is part of internet social infrastructure at this point. It's probably still going to be useful to prefix google searches with "reddit some product" to find the best human reviews of that product. But for me, I don't really feel the need to keep using it day to day. I'm looking for a community and I can find it elsewhere.

[-] Dandylion@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

Nah. I just uninstalled baconreader from my phone and look forward to lemmy being my new home.

[-] casey@lemmy.wiuf.net 5 points 2 years ago

I think this is one of the first pushes where convivences don't mesh with security. We have been taken advantage of for a very long time, and very easily. This type of diversification I feel will ultimately be healthy.

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