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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by MelancholikhPatata@kbin.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I've been using Opera for a few years now and I've been enjoying its features, UI and everything. However, I (surprisingly to me) haven't noticed many people mentioning it. Also, when I was on Reddit and mentioned that I use it I got downvoted which left me somewhat confused haha.

So I'm wondering if there's anything wrong with it and/or if I should give another browser a go (I noticed Firefox is mentioned a lot on here)

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[-] SmallAlmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 11 months ago

Opera is just chromium with extra spyware and shit. Firefox is mentioned a lot because it is foss, and my favorite browser for that matter.

[-] chrizbie@lemmy.nz 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sadly this is the truth these days, opera certainly has had it moments in the sun in the past (especially on lower spec devices) but I would personally stare clear these days

Firefox is really the only true alternative

Small shout-out to edge browser's built in pdf editing functions though, this is really handy on PC at times

[-] BlueFairyPainter@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And Edge's built-in vertical tabs. They're so clean and neat and the groups are colored and feel good to use while with most other browsers, vertical tabs feel like a hack, like you're going against the browser's intended usage. A year ago you'd have a hard time convincing me to use any Microsoft products but after using Edge at work for a while, I switched away from Firefox on my personal machines as well.

[-] shrugal@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

The Opera of today is not the same as the one from back in the days! The original company sold all their code and rights to a chinese consortium in 2016. Since then it's basically a variant of chromium, with some propriatary features and tracking added. I don't know the new owners, so I don't trust them with my browsing data!

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago

The original devs of Opera went to make Vivaldi, which is a yet another Chromium based browser.

[-] dizzy@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

It is yet another Chromium based browser but for when Chromium is needed for compatibility reasons, it’s got some pretty cool features like split panes and mobile sites as a sidebar etc.

Firefox always number 1 though.

[-] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago

The original company was sold. Opera Software still makes the browser and its headquarters is still in Norway, but it is owned by a consortium.

[-] Scooter411@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Just curious, what browser do you use?

[-] shrugal@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I switched from Chrome to Firefox about a year ago, because it's just better for personal privacy and the freedom of the web as a whole. Brave would be my second choice, but FF lets you easily self-host a sync server for all your browsing data.

[-] 4am@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Brave is littered with crypto and replaces other ad networks with their own (which does tracking basically exclusively for them).

Steer clear, it’s a trap.

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[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tor browser for mostly anonymous browsing, Mullvad browser as default non-Tor browser (it's basically an open source Firefox fork made by Mullvad and the Tor team), but I also still have a regular Firefox configured with Arkenfox' user.js and some important extensions, as well as a Chromium with zero protections except uBlock Origin. I switch between those browsers depending on use case. Each browser has a different theme to make them easily distinguishable from each other, the "insecure" browsers which I only use for rare exceptions (websites misbehaving in any other browser) have a red-like color. All browsers are being run sandboxed.

On mobile: Tor browser, Bromite and Vanadium.

[-] Mane25@feddit.uk 43 points 11 months ago

It was the best, most full-featured browser until it (effectively) died after Opera 12 in 2013, now it's just a Chrome skin.

Use Firefox, it's not just (in my opinion) the best browser now but it helps protect against a Google monopoly on web standards.

[-] mryessir 2 points 11 months ago

Pin comment and close thread! :)

[-] Jacksachatter 27 points 11 months ago

Please try and use non chromium based browser.

[-] MegaUmbreon@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

I loved Opera 20 years ago when the built in RSS reader, email client, mouse gestures and unique rendering engine that was either faster than the others or completely incompatible with websites. Now I don't give it much thought, all the chromium browsers feel the same.

[-] Tanoh@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Yes, and it also pioneered many features we take for granted now. Like tabs, customizable interfacez etc.

But now it is just a reskinned Chrome.

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I loved their speed dial when that came. Just having a home page with a grid of your favorite websites was so innovative at the time.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

I remember the mouse gestures, they were a really neat feature. I don't think any other browser has had anything close to it since then.

[-] MegaUmbreon@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

There are extensions for Chromium browser's that do the same thing now :) I use it at work because my mouse doesn't have buttons for navigating back and forward, it's great.

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[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Please don't use Opera (or any other proprietary browser). It contains a lot of on-by-default spyware and it's hard or impossible to disable everything.

https://www.kuketz-blog.de/opera-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil13/ (post in German, but you can see what the browser transmits. It's a lot. Including the domains of all sites you visit). The best way to increase your privacy with Opera is to uninstall it. Apparently, this is how they make their money nowadays. They used to sell their browser, but it's free since a while. So users pay with their data.

Also, try not to use Chromium based browsers (not even if they are purely open source, based on the open source Chromium base). Its development is very much steered by Google and their interests and you can see the effects e.g. with their Manifest v3 which cripples ad blocking extensions, for example.

[-] CanadianBaconeer@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Chrome reskin; Firefox and Vivaldi (made by Opera's creator and former owner) are much better browsers.

[-] supermurs@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

I used Opera back in the day, but I don't trust the new development anymore.

I'd recommend using Firefox instead.

[-] kadu@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

My opinion on Opera is that it's an outdated piece of adware.

[-] smallaubergine@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Didn't a lot of former members of the opera dev team go on to make Vivaldi? I really like Vivaldi but I always come back to my bae, Firefox

[-] rumbleran@suppo.fi 18 points 11 months ago

Back when they still had their own browser engine it was the greatest browser at the time. HTML5 was rolling in hard and Opera was always the first one to implement these new features. It was also faster than any other browser, had customizable UI (with full MDI instead of just tabs), builtin E-mail client and good tools for Web developers.

But as an open source person using it always felt a little bit wrong, because of it's closed source nature. Now that it's just an alternative UI for Chrome and owned by some shady Chinese company I wouldn't touch the damn thing with thousand foot pole.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 months ago

I was a Netscape and Opera girl back in the day. I haven't used it since my uni days but I used to love it. I think it's owned by some pretty shady companies these days though :(

[-] small44@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Opera was ahead of it's time with speed dial and tabs and it's own engine. Now it's just a chrome based browser with no real unique features. Vivaldi is my favourite browser nowadays

[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

It has been awesome until 2013 when they decided to make their browser a skin on top of Chromium. Now they had more UI revamps and it doesn't work or feel like Opera at all. I tried using it sometimes ago and now they even got those weird huge buttons..

[-] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 11 points 11 months ago

Opera 12 was my main browser until it died and was replaced by a completely unrelated and terrible browser called Opera 2013. Opera 12's spiritual successor is Vivaldi, and that's what I still use now.

Vivaldi is the only browser that has all of the UI features that I want... No amount of extensions and customization of Chrome, Edge, or Firefox has been able to come anywhere close to matching it.

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[-] AffineConnection@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

It's just another Chromium browser now.

[-] Mandy@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

Opera sold out to China years ago, stop using it ASAP. I you wanna stay in chromium use the original devs new thing, Vivaldi.

[-] moobythegoldensock@geddit.social 9 points 11 months ago

It was a great little browser for that short period between Netscape and Firefox.

[-] not_sure@unilem.org 8 points 11 months ago

i stopped using it after learning that it was chinese owned. back to firefox.

[-] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

It's owned by the Chinese government

[-] Cistello@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago

Questionable that you can’t change the search engine to a custom one out of "concerns"

[-] nicerdicer@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Years ago, Opera has been my main browser and I really liked it. Back then, it was the only browser (to my knowledge) that had tabs. It was a novelty back then. Over the time they added more features, like the conversion tool. Then they added more features I didn't need or want, like the side bar, and it quickly became bloated. I switched to firefox, which offered a greater variety of add-ons. I still use firefox as my main browser. The only thing I miss is the conversion tool. There is nothing comparable like the one Opera has built in. I later learned that the original developers sold it to a chinese consortium. In hindsight, that explains the constant changes to the worse, which pushed me to another browser.

[-] Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago

There's not much of a point in the base Opera when Opera GX exists, besides having a less gimmicky UI. If you value your privacy, don't use it, but if you don't, it's a decent Chromium based browser

[-] MelancholikhPatata@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

right, Opera GX is the one Im using, maybe I should have mentioned it. After reading all the comments I decided to check Firefox and Vivaldi out

[-] Riven@yiffit.net 5 points 11 months ago

Opera’s always been a niche browser. One of the first to have tabs long before Firefox existed. But it was paid or you could have a perminant huge banner ad in the toolbar. That stink never entirely went away.

Then they switched engines (twice), “modernized” the UI, and sold the company. Most Opera fans switched to Vivaldi which was made in the style of classic Opera by some of the original devs.

[-] ultrasquid@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

I use it on mobile for the fast action button (basically fancy gesture controls). I know its ownership is pretty sketchy, and I'd prefer to be using Firefox or some other browser, but I haven't found any other browser with similar gesture controls.

[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Nothing wrong with Opera. It's based on Chromium, which means it's based on the same engine as Chrome and Edge. It has a built-in VPN function; so, you can have that sort of privacy protection built in to your web browsing, depending on your trust for the company behind Opera (also called Opera). They have been involved in some questionable dealing in the past; but, there is no evidence that they are harvesting data with the VPN. The tl;dr is that it's another way to have Chrome without directly using Google Chrome.

As for FireFox. It's a great browser, I use it myself. It's based on it's own engine, Gecko. The Mozilla Foundation seems to care more about privacy and web standards than any other browser author. Though, this has pros and cons. On the plus side, FireFox can be configured to be very privacy preserving and some extensions (e.g. UBlock Origin) tend to be better at privacy on FireFox than Chromium based browsers. That said, some websites will expect Chromium and may break on FireFox (though, this is often because of explicit by web site developers. User agent spoofing often shows that the problem is fictitious).

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If you want a Chromium browser that isn’t Chrome or Edge, use Brave.

Opera was acquired by a Chinese company in 2016 and has gone downhill.

Firefox is popular with an emphasis on privacy. It is also one of the few mainstream browsers not using Chromium or WebKit

[-] Fl1ppyR34@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

If you really want to use a chromium browser, Vivaldi is the only one I'd trust to not maliciously use my data. It was made by the people that used to own and develop opera and it has a big focus on both customization and privacy.

Also the android version of it allows you to stack tabs just like in the desktop version, and I don't know of any other browser on android that let's you do that so that's pretty cool too.

[-] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Brave? The Chinese owned browser that bundled cryptominers with their software?

[-] fratermus 2 points 11 months ago

When desktop opera dropped the image-compresssion proxy I went back to firefox. I still use opera mobile because of the compression.

[-] Cistello@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago

Questionable that you can't change the search engine to a custom one out of "privacy" concerns

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I've tried to use opera on several occasions and it just never sticks with me for one reason or another ultimately I have for more privacy options and privacy focus browsers and those that have abilities for add-ons to achieve even greater security in privacy so Firefox tends to be the direction I go or brave.

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