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Just go PC and don't worry about corporate lifecycles anymore
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Fair but thats your choice to upgrade. No one says you have to, and they don't lock games behind needing insert current gen CPU or gpu
Your choice to upgrade just your GPU for as much or more than the entire cost of a PS5 as frequent or more frequently than you’d need to buy a new PS5.
As an avid PC gamer and PlayStation enjoyer, part of the console appeal is being able to drop a relatively small amount of money (compared to a gaming PC) on a single console and then you just don’t have to worry about upgrades or the performance of games for like 6+ years. There are a lot of us long time computer nerds that are just tired of unoptimized trash or new technologies making our rigs outdated in as little as a year or two.
There's also the simplicity. I enjoy my PC for sure but for some people the ease of popping in a disc or downloading the title and it running perfectly on the first try is a major selling point. Troubleshooting my Ex's PC for 2 hours only to realise I didn't install the standoffs is an experience I can't get on console.
Troubleshooting my Ex's PC for 2 hours only to realise I didn't install the standoffs is an experience I can't get on console.
Hey, have some faith in yourself! I'm sure you can fuck up your console hardware just as well as your ex's PC!
Oh yeah 100%. If I want to play the latest casual open world adventure game, I don’t want to spend time trying to figure out why I’m having mysterious frame rate dips. Do I need new drivers? Is the game poorly optimized? Is it a bug? Is their V-sync implementation broken? Is it an issue with my specific graphics card vendor so I’m SOL? Is it a thermal issue? Let’s spend all Saturday figuring it out.
Or just buy it on PS5 and it just works.
more frequently is very far from the truth. only if you want the latest and greatest just for the sake of it, but you dont actually need ultra 4k graphics at 200fps.
my friend still has a gtx960, all modern titles run fine. my 2070 will last me at least 4 more years easily. my rig is more than 2 years old and theres nothing wrong with it at all.
Oh it’s the truth my friend. I have a rig with a GTX 1660 and it does not run modern games well at all. You can forget 4k 200fps, just 1080p and a stable 60 is more often than not too much to ask for. It absolutely does not keep up with the PS5 that is only a year newer and half the price. A lot of new releases are almost completely unplayable at this point but I can download the newest launch games on PS5 and know I’m getting the best experience.
PCs have a much higher quality and performance ceilings if you want to spend thousands, but the days of PC gaming being the platform for best value to performance are long over. Trying to buy a modest gaming PC that lasts you 5+ years is an exercise in frustration.
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I mean they kind of do with performance and unoptimised games. I can't play many current AAAs on my 1050Ti. Cyberpunk for example.
1050Ti is ps4-tier
it does run it at least medium settings though, unless theres something very wrong.
I've not even attempted cyberpunk cause i didn't want to waste money on it for a game that is unlikely to run well. I don't think it reaches their min specs, at least it didn't initially unless they've changed.
And yeah theoretically a 1050Ti is PS4 level but the heavy hitters of the PS4 would run like shit in comparison on my PC. Just due to how much better optimised console games are compared to their PC counterparts.
cyberpunk should definetly run well enough on that card. low/mid mixed settings at 1080p, about what the PS4 does. especially now that its all patched up.
ive 100% seen worse cards run it. cyberpunk is a pc first game.
get yourself a pirated copy and test it out. or even easier, theres probably tests on youtube for that card so you can judge it yourself.
now, yeah that era's ports were optimized like shit on pc and some are still bad to this day, but pc gamers get very caught up with the settings and how high they are when the consoles are probably running at "medium".
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The PS5 feels next-gen to me, rather than current gen, lol
Probably because I was a late adopter to the prior gen, and I don't have a current gen console (just a PC).
To me the PS5 feels like PS4.5 at most.
The box even says “8K capable” and they promised an amazing 4K-8K 120hz raytracing heaven before release. Every time I see the box or watch old presentation videos I feel scammed.
Because in reality almost all games have a pathetic “slow mode with higher res” (often 30 fps!) or “fast mode with previous generation graphics and resolution” (usually some variable upscaled mess and far from native 4K).
It’s still a decent machine (I like it being silent a lot, load times are also quite good) and I enjoy gaming regardless of performance BUT their promises were nothing but a marketing scam. It feels far from “next generation” to me.
(Same goes for Xbox Series X of course, it’s just as bad in this sense.)
We should see an improvement in game quality for the platform once last-gen sales drop off enough that developers only need to target current-gen.
Right now any game that comes out for both PS4+5 is bottlenecked by PS4 memory and performance, with only easy wins taken for PS5 like higher quality assets and faster IO/FPS.
Designing a game for current-gen platforms from the ground up is when we'll start to see some more impressive features, but there's still money on the table for PS4 so it'll be a few years (IMHO) before we see PS5 exclusives as the norm.
What I really read when you write that is "By the time the earnest benefits of the PS5 platform are realized, they'll be selling PS5 Pro's to brute force improvements".
I'm not so sure, there are already pure PS5/XSX games and they are not THAT impressive. Also as someone else commented, once they reach that time there will be a PS5 Pro. This entire generation is a disappointing mess.
With their inability to meet demand that first year they made many of us into patient gamers. I bought a PS4 Pro for a couple hundred bucks when that frenzy was going down and will happily play through that massive catalog at 12 bucks a game as long as they still charge almost $500 for a 4-year-old console.
Good for you, IMO (and as a PS5 owner) you're not missing much.
I hear ya but they launched with RDNA 2, ray tracing is AMD's 1st gen implementation with dubious claims about their ray accelerators being a hardware solution, and 10tflops with 36 CU's (compared to the 6800xt's 72), the writing was on the wall during launch. Soon as we had specs, all of their claims looked like bullshit to me from the start.
I do admire their overclocking trick to compensate, and I do really enjoy their UX along with that bamf controller. They definitely pulled the right business tricks, but high framerates and ray tracing was laughable to me. Just marketing myth, and I feel you. 30fps is cringe to me and I wish consoles could get past that shit.
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Lower the price.
Yep, the ps2 was half the launch price by this part of the cycle.
As far as I know they already lose money selling them because they make way more money through PS plus and the PS store
Consoles never really make money.
The money is in locking consumers in your ecosystem, which is why exclusives used to be a big deal. Now they'd rather their games be available to people on other consoles since they bought up too many studios
Like, Xbox wants everyone that owns a Xbox to buy COD for Xbox. But they also can't limit it to Xbox because a bunch of ps5 people would buy it if they could. So it's better to sell thru ps5 then losing all those potential customers that will never buy an Xbox.
This is only half true. They are loss leaders early in their lifecycle, but almost (looking at you PS3) always profitable 2-3 years into production due to paying down initial costs of production and efficiencies developed during production.
and curb scalpers
I wish they did the opposite. Release a €999 PS5 Pro with specs that justify that price.
Aside from the Switch, which just quietly prints money, this generation of consoles feels like a huge failure.
The Xbox launch was so bad I couldn't tell you what the latest Xbox is called, and the PS5 had its hype during a global pandemic, and seemingly couldn't bother to release games during that period.
While the "latter stage" could basically mean 4-5 years, I don't really see what the big rush is. Let 2020-2022 be a write-off, and focus on getting some fucking games out! I have a PS5, but purely because I got it as a gift. All of my games, aside from one, are PS4 games.
Obviously, there will be some big names that'll likely come out during this time. We'll likely see a new COD game, GTA6, ideally a new GOW came, and FF7's latest part. With that being said, 2024 is extremely underwhelming for games.
I just play upscaled 4k GameCube games on Dolphin.
The wii games look amazing too! I don’t remember Super Mario Galaxy looking that good.
They've barely released any PS5 exclusive games. This feels like a massive ripoff.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Sony now expects to sell 4 million fewer PS5 consoles in its 2023 fiscal year ending March 31st compared to previous projections, Bloomberg reports.
In its third quarter, Sony’s gaming revenue was up 16 percent versus the same period the previous year, sitting at 1.4 trillion yen (around $9.3 billion), but operating income was down 26 percent to 86.1 billion yen (around $572 million) due to promotions in the third quarter ending on December 31st.
According to Sony, the company plans to emphasize profitability over unit sales as the console approaches its fourth birthday.
“Looking ahead, PS5 will enter the latter stage of its life cycle,” said Sony senior vice president Naomi Matsuoka in comments reported by Bloomberg.
For this reason, we expect the annual sales pace of PS5 hardware will start falling from the next fiscal year.” Sony added it has no plans to release “any new major existing franchise titles” in its next fiscal year.
Later this year, Microsoft is expected to release a refreshed Xbox Series S and a disc-less Xbox Series X codenamed Brooklin with double the amount of storage as its existing model, while Nintendo is also expected to release a follow-up to its seven year-old Switch console.
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I mean probally cause the console was an utter failure, I see no diff between my ps4 to my ps5, Supply failed at launch for 3 years, the exclusives have sucked, PS Plus went up on all tiers and features for it have been a roaring dumpster fire this is without taking into concideration the UI revamp sucks. I haven't even had the urge to fire mine up since October.
This compared to the series X that while hasn't had /great/ exclusives either, has well counteracted that downside with a huge gamepass library that connects directly with PC and had the supply to keep up with demand.
Connection between PC and XBox is a feature that I didn't know I would love so much before. The family is occupying the TV, fine I could fire the same game up on the PC.
Fully agree, I didn't think I would use it much either, but the fact that you can make any game suddenly a keyboard and mouse game is a game changer. It opened up the ability to run your strategy and your RTs and your survival games using keyboard and Mouse games like Ark I can't imagine playing with a controller however I can play with my Xbox friends because the fact that I can just play Ark using keyboard and mouse while they play on their console
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