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In 1992, Sinead O'Connor tore a picture of Pope John Paul II in half during a performance on SNL in protest against generations of abuse toward children within the Catholic church. (youtu.be)

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[-] Marine_Mustang@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

And she was vilified for it. Ahead of her time.

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[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

She said "Fight the real enemy" while tearing up the pic.

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[-] shellkr@fedia.io 20 points 1 year ago

She was ahead of her time and extremely strong. Doing the right thing was more important to her than money. RIP.

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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

I remember that…

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[-] Ktheone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Joe pesci did a SNL special the following week after that where he threatened to beat the shit out of Sinead. Makes me lose much of the respect I had for the man.

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[+] rehabdoll@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ireland got proper fucked by the church it seems. There was a “Behind the bastards” episode about it. Highly recommended if you want to get mad

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-the-catholic-church-84227953/

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[-] Aldrond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Everywhere the Catholic church has ever been, it's consistently fucked everyone over. It is a leviathan of abuse and harmful politics.

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[+] Cypher@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago

Then she joined a cult based around venerating a pedophile prophet.

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[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

30 years later, after some very public mental health struggles. She was a humanitarian with a big heart and a lot of courage. Don't try a take away from a dead woman's accomplishments because of personal choices toward the end of her life.

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[+] Cypher@lemmy.world -34 points 1 year ago

Oh no judging a person by… their actions.

She died a hypocrite.

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[-] b00m@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

You seem like a person who has no grasp on the nuances of life

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[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

She studied theology and was the victim of institutional abuse, she was better educated on this than most and sought out a higher purpose. I can't denigrate her for that. I'm an atheist but I won't judge someone who sought refuge from an abusive and horrible past.

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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

That's one description, but in context it's misleading. If we wanted to talk about Christianity or Judaism we could look at the Bible and find shocking things there as well. And maybe we should. But that's a totally different discussion from bad things that the Catholic Church did in the 1900s.

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[-] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Jesus was a hippy, who whipped scammers at a temple. Mohommed raped a nine year old and was a warlord.

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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. You're trying to compare things that people probably did 1500+ years ago with things that happened in our lifetimes. There's no way to attain justice for actions that happened over a millennia ago, and it doesn't really make sense to try.

If you want to convince people that organized religion is shit, I think you have a lot of good ammunition on hand, including some of the things that you mentioned. I'm not sure you're going to turn people off to Islam by mentioning that Muhammad was a warlord, though.

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[-] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They still worship him, hell they still add "Peace be unto him" after his name, a man who ordered murders.

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[+] Cypher@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago

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[-] Summzashi@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

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[+] Cypher@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago

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[-] Summzashi@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

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[-] JTode@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's better to just downvote, really. You are always running the risk that you're helping a troll earn his paycheque. I'm sure this fellow is not being paid, he seems very dedicated to dunking on [women with mental illness] on a personal level.

(edit for grammatical clarity; "mentally ill" is still often used pejoratively by people like the one you're responding to...)

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[-] dcat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

do you think that her joining islam (and by extension her comments about non-muslims) was a result of her mental illness?

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[-] JTode@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's cute.

edit: by which I mean, if I am going to align myself with any group in this situation, it is with the fraternity of fellow musicians, and in that world she is my sister, and contains multitudes.

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[+] EhList@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] Cypher@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

All religions are cults.

By the way are you counting all the different sects as a singular group? In some places the cultists would kill you for that.

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[+] EhList@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] dcat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

it’s not like apostasy is a requirement for the definition of a cult.

depending on which of the dictionary definitions you’re going by, a cult could be anything from a religious system of veneration for a figure, to a group with extreme beliefs outside of that of an established religion.

to me it seems like the only common denominator for all of the definitions is that the group is smaller than that of a religion.

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[+] EhList@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] DigitalWanderer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

islam?

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[-] dtrain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Blocked my first user on Lemmy!

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