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A standoff between the site and some of its most devoted users exposes an existential dilemma.

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[-] div@kbin.social 167 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free."

Funny, seems like he has been getting all of it from content to moderation for free, and now he is the one angry it isn't free any more....huh.

[-] LiveLaughLoveRevenge@kbin.social 71 points 1 year ago

If they had charged API fees such that 3rd party apps would have had to charge a monthly fee to users....I would have probably just paid. And I know I'm not the only one.

But they priced it intentionally to kill 3rd party apps, because they wanted to channel access through their garbage app with its "promoted" ads all over the place.

It's not about "free vs. not free" it's about intentionally killing off the applications that made reddit likeable as a platform.

[-] Redmarestare@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

And that mods use to effectively moderate.

[-] delcake@lemmy.songsforno.one 13 points 1 year ago

That's why this whole debacle is so mystifying to me. If they would have tried to monetize the 3rd party space by way of charging a reasonable API price to the devs, it's not hard to imagine that most serious Reddit users wouldn't have any qualms with parting with a few bucks here and there to keep the status quo. I can't imagine that Reddit is able to create a situation where they earn more from their advertising platform per user than having users simply pay to maintain the existing experience.

The only theory I've heard that makes a lick of sense is that if Reddit fundamentally changes the site experience to pursue other monetization options (Hello Reddit NFTs), then 3rd party apps would've been able to just ignore implementing those features entirely.

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[-] Singletona@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Also, as a disabled internet user, those APIs are of value for the sake of accessability. Given Reddi'ts own app is, and forgive me to use technical jargon here, steaming pile of bullshit even for those with perfect vision?

Yea fuck you too spez.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think there's a little more to it. If they're trying to go the Meta way where dwell times and other such evil metrics are used, they need to have their own app for that level of info. It might be a requirement for their IPO or requested by their advertisers.

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[-] briongloid@aussie.zone 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had thought those where your words at first, you can quote like this;

These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free.

I'm struggling to show you what symbol it is without it turning into a quote, so here's a picture of the greater than symbol;

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] briongloid@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago
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[-] swope@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Seems like a case for r/selfawarewolves ... If that's a thing that still exists.

[-] Gsus4@lemmy.one 25 points 1 year ago

It's the same as when he started talking about "landed peasantry", the projection is strong, aware or not.

[-] Jojo-Mcfrost572@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Rmemes has passed a motion to only post landed gentry memes. So yeah

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[-] Kichae@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the ownership class always deserves to get things from regular people for free. It's only those of us who make our living from our physical or mental labour, rather than owning property, that don't deserve free shit.

That's just the hierarchy in action, doncha know.

[-] DeimosE2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago

You're right on the money. Spez is just a generic CEO waving his dick around. Prick.

[-] Jojo-Mcfrost572@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

Nailed it.

CEOs. Literally the worst. Toss up between "politicians" or CEOs. They take what they don't produce and exploit it for their masters.

[-] Singletona@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

'What's Scum?'
'bankers, politicians, cattle kings. Scum.'

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[-] Singletona@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Funny coming from a techbro that thought to farm out getting site content from that userbase he's now wanting money from.

Like I get it if he's wanting to not go into debt, but at the same time he's shot any chance at user good will and assistance in the face with a cluster fat man.

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[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago

No users, no Reddit. It's as simple as that. Why the paint huffer thinks he can take content from his users for free, then sell it back to them, is mystifying. No, no, dickhead. You're acting like you're the most important component of Reddit when you are, in fact, the most expendable.

[-] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Hey, it works for solar panels :)

(at least here in Oz where they give you 7c but charge your 40c per kWh.)

Kbin and Lemmy are the batteries to tell them to go jump.

[-] IntlLawGnome@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago

The money quote IMO is at the end:

Reddit, like any commercial platform, is only a community until its owners need it to be something else.

That's a good reason to be mindful of what we're building here on Kbin, Lemmy, and other federated networks. We're not just trying to build a Reddit methadone, to help us down from our high after quitting cold-turkey. We are, I hope, aiming to build (or rebuild) a community -- one not dependent on the monetizing whims of a private owner.

The author is right: Spez lost site of the community aspect. Here's an opportunity to show them that the idea still means something to a lot of us.

[-] Hellsadvocate@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If for some reason kbin becomes bad, you just move to another instance (that defederated kbin) and you still get the prior cached posts and comments, just new stuff won't be shitty. I guess you'd have to leave your kbin profile behind.

[-] minimar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Considering there's no global karma, your account isn't much more than your subscription list, and down the line migrating that should get easy!

[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

One thing that the Reddit guy says that is true, it takes money to run sites. People joining the Fediverse need to realize this and should consider contributing money to their instance if they can.

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[-] Singletona@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

I come from the era of the BBS. The PHP Forum. SlashDot, and Digg. I come from online games ranging from EverQuest, to Multiverse Crisis MUSH, to Moments in Tyme, to Warframe, and More. I have walked messenger clients from the times of AiM, IRC and Yahoo, to Skype, Steam, and Discord.

In my thirty years of being online, this is not the first petty tyrant claiming that upset users are the problem rather than taking a long hard look in the mirror. This will not be the last.

The best we can do is grab popcorn and watch as his platform dies. He won't admit to making any mistakes. Especially with money involved because he's under the deluded belief that showing any weakness invites a price drop from investors. Yet this behavior? It REEKS of weakness and insecurity.

Migrate and Move On. the rest is just playing u/spez's game.

[-] ahriboy@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I'd expect that Matrix and Revolt will eat a small portion of the discord userbase. Twitter and Reddit are clearly shattering into pieces.

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[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

landed gentry

democratic

Bro, that's just a little too much bullshit coming from your mouth for me.

[-] Singletona@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Dude, my bullshit meter blew its fuses and the magic smoke's poured out.

[-] pizza_rolls@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

I was definitely addicted to reddit but it's been surprisingly easy to stop using it. I have been reading instead and I'm 75% of the way through Wool right now. Before I would endlessly scroll through but now when I open reddit I am bored in a few minutes. I'll probably still use it to find useful answers on Google but otherwise 🤷‍♀️

[-] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think I would have broken away without Kbin/Lemmy. Turns out I was addicted to discussion, not Reddit.

[-] parrot-party@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

There really is no other large social media site that allows you to converse with actual people. Youtube and Twitter are all about chatting with the content creator, trying to get their attention. Facebook is for getting yelled at by distant relatives. Fortunately Kbin and Lemmy where there to catch us.

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[-] Singletona@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

That's kinda what you find out over time and as you see platforms crumble.

the platform itself is just a wrapper for the discussions. If you can find somewhere with those discussions? The wrapper is irrelevant.

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[-] delcake@lemmy.songsforno.one 7 points 1 year ago

I've always been pretty good about limiting my casual reddit browsing to only when I have literally nothing else I can productively do with my time, so I'm very pleased that for the most part Lemmy and kbin can already pretty effectively fill that gap for me despite containing a fraction of the firehose that is reddit.

And you're absolutely right that it's a great excuse to refocus on any other hobby.

[-] jeebus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I still open reddit on accident. Fuck that muscle memory.

[-] Realtrain@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I've had RIF on the same part of my home screen for over a decade. That muscle memory will be very hard to break.

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[-] SmolderingSauna@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

This will be an all-time great case study at the Harvard Business School.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I'm kinda glad Reddit is blowing up, it has been shit for a long time to be honest. Yes you can seclude yourself into smaller and more niche subreddits, but they all end up catering to the lowest common denominator eventually. If fediverse really kicks off I'm sure the same thing will happen in 10 years, but for now I'm excited to be trying something new

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[-] spark947@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

If third party reddit browsing apps are competitors to reddit, that means that I have preferred their competitors this whole time! I think I am going to stick with reddit competitors.

[-] solidgrue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This will all end badly, and I'm here for it. 🍿

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