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Help me with an email provider! (lemmy.nerdcore.social)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Hello, I've been looking into email providers. I'm not an activist, just a regular user concerned over privacy.

I used CTemplar in the past until it shut down. Had a cockli email and although it isn't Google the privacy isn't stellar either. I tried to get into Proton, but being unable to use Thunderbird on he free plan was a massive turn-off for me since I like switching easily between different accounts.

After a bit of searching the following came across for me as the best services: [free] Autistici, PARANOID, Disroot. [paid] Posteo, Elude.

Assuming I theoretically got invites for all the free services (they're all reliant on manual approvation), which one would you recommend?

@edit: After reading a bit on the free services, I decided that I will choose them in a Disroot > Autisci > PARANOID order of priority,

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[-] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure what the official advice is but, I've been pretty happy with Proton Mail. They have a free and several tiers of paid options.

I missed the line about proton. I've seen others be successful with thunderbird but idk there may be some breaking things going on.

[-] Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't sign up to their services completely anonymous, if you try to sign up using Tor/VPN it requires SMS confirmation, a previous email (and they block temp addresses) or a donation. Suspicious. There's also some iffy stuff on how they encrypt your emails.

Also, in their old ToS (pre-2022 update):

we have access to the following email metadata: sender and recipient email addresses, the IP address incoming messages originated from, message subject, and message sent and received times. [...] We also have access to the following records of account activity: number of messages sent, amount of storage space used, total number of messages, last login time.

And where this data goes?

When a ProtonMail account is closed, data is immediately deleted from production servers. Active accounts will have data retained indefinitely. Deleted emails are also permanently deleted from production servers. Deleted data may be retained in our backups for up to 14 days.

Sure, this was an old ToS. New ToS:

We employ a local installation of self-developed analytics tools. Analytics are anonymized whenever possible and stored locally (and not on the cloud).

Still unremovable telemetry not totally anonymized. Now they aren't even clear on what those analytics are, aside from:

Our overriding policy is to collect as little user information (personal data included) as possible to ensure a private user experience when using the Services. We do not have the technical means to access the content of your encrypted emails, files, and calendar events.

Yeah, can assume they're collecting the same things as before.

[-] landordragen@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Proton Mail, Tutanota or Skiff would be my recommendations.

Nowadays my daily e-mail provider is Skiff.

Can’t link to Thunderbird but that’s the price to pay for E2EE. Personally I’m fine with that but I understand that my needs are different from every other person.

[-] Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social 1 points 1 year ago

Proton retains your data definitively, and although it is encrypted, they're the ones who generate your encryption key as well. If they want to act maliciously, they are totally able to. Also can't register using a VPN or Tor without giving personable identifiable info. Tutanota has the second problem as well.

Skiff collects the pages you visited before using their webmail - creepy:

Automatic Data Collection. In order to protect you and our platform from malicious activity and to prevent fraud, we may collect certain information automatically when you use our Services, such as your Internet protocol (IP) address (temporarily), user settings, and Skiff-provided authentication cookies. We may also temporarily collect information regarding your use of our Services, such as pages that you visit before, during and after using our Services, the frequency and duration of your activities, and other information about how you use our Services.

[-] bp99@lemmy.bp99.eu 2 points 1 year ago

I have used mailbox.org before migrating to my own server. Pretty solid.

[-] epoch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] stonesimulator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Comments on Migadu? I'm looking to migrate from Mailbox after they announced their new price schemes.

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can second what /u/GreatWhiteBuffalo41 said. I've been a free user of ProtonMail for years now, since they're beta years. Their service is solid. Their development cycle may be S L O W but their product is fucking STABLE.

[-] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Form all the services I picked tutanota. They have their values and you have to pay a little bjt overall they seem likeca solid company.

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