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[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 110 points 5 months ago

"Library of Alexandria had to be set on fire after publishers’ court win"

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

The good news is, as far as I know, they don't have to actually delete the data.

So at least these books have still been digitized if something changes and they are allowed to be accessed in the future. Some of them may not exist in physical form at this point, or only as one or two copies in an academic library.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 months ago

That is not what has happened here.

"The library of Alexandria has had to remove some books from public lending due to court order"

The IA played a very risky game during covid, lost, and now needs to face concequences.

It could be soo much worse.

[-] Arsecroft 58 points 5 months ago

It would be useful to have a list of the missing books for reasons.

I'll see if i can find it.

[-] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

I agree, that would be useful

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

But LLM's can copy anything.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

rules for thee but not for me!

piracy is awrsome, folks!

[-] pixel_prophet@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

But they make stonk lines go up so wall street can buy caviar for their kids.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

What I'm hearing you say is that the Internet Archive needs to figure out some underhanded way of making themselves ridiculously profitable and then stop being a non-profit. It worked out quite well for OpenAI after all.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

As much as this sucks, it could have been so much worse. The Internet Archive stays up. It's important archives of things like industrial and educational films stay up. The Wayback Machine stays up.

So as disappointing as this is, I do have some relief because I thought it could mean the end.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

So much of that stuff is public domain material, at least the older stuff like those films and some of the books

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Right, but my worry was that if the IA went down, no one would be archiving it that didn't have a commercial interest.

A large amount of the Prelinger Archives have been uploaded to YouTube. Which is great as a backup, but the IA is a noncommercial entity. I do not want for-profits controlling such archives. I'm glad that's not a worry, at least not for now.

[-] luckystarr@feddit.de 31 points 5 months ago

"To the contrary, the decision barely mentions copyright's ultimate purpose of promoting broad public availability of literature, music, and the other arts," it said.

It feels like the thoughts of the past came straight out of fiction. Today, nothing seems worth anything if you can't directly make money from it.

[-] alekwithak@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Crap I knew there was something I was supposed to do!

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Understandable, but a huge bummer nevertheless

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Take a step back. Is it really understandable? A digital resource, that costs nothing to reproduce, is being artificially restricted.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

The economy is based on goods and services being exchanged for money. A book is a good that took time and resources to create. A publisher invested into that good with the intent to make a profit, and having it available online for free without their consent circumvents that.

I'm not saying it's ethical or that I agree with it, I'm just saying it makes sense.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

having it available online for free without their consent circumvents that.

In this particular case the publishers are trying to double dip

Controlled Digital Lending is the library practice whereby a library owns a book, digitizes it, and loans either the physical book or the digital copy to one user at a time.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Publishers proceed not to buffalo buffalo buffalo sell half the books taken down anyway and eventually erase their own backups.

[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

A sad and dark day.

[-] unrushed233@lemmings.world 12 points 5 months ago

Sign the petition! Not sure if it is going to make any difference, but it just takes a couple of minutes. https://www.change.org/p/let-readers-read-an-open-letter-to-the-publishers-in-hachette-v-internet-archive

[-] citrusface@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Thoughts and Prayers 🙏

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

So is there some kind of backup? Something that can be put back online after the apocalypse or something?

[-] ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

I know it's a dumb idea but imagine how fun it would be if there was no copyright

[-] nimomycelium@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Lamentable but copyright is a critical mechanism for protecting the rights of creators.

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