Its not like this was the first shitty thing that Reddit have done. Its a platform that has been getting progressively worse for years. I will definitely stay here.
Same here.
I've had it with Reddit.
They go all hamfisted in this situation, but when they should do something, they don't.
Besides that, I've been annoyed with the centralization of everything for decades. I grew up in a time BBS and newsgroups ruled the day, before the Internet.
Switching to the Internet then and finding that HALELUJAH, I can access whatever I want without having to rely on the BBS I pay for to pull in the content (same with usenet).
And then in the past 2 decades, motherfuckers started centralizing everything into one place again anyway.
And all this while I've been in IT for just as long and saw the possibility for federated systems being here, with the thing holding it back being the interest into interconnecting selfhosted systems was FAR FAR outweighed by everyone wanting to rule the internet.
So I'm glad we're now at a point most people are seeing what a mistake it was, the Facebooks, the Twitters, the Reddits.
Now lets move to federated systems where you can have some actual control on the content you consume and won't be forced to have a load of stuff shoved down your throat for every nibble of content you actually want to consume.
I try and take a pragmatic stance.
My desire to find an alternative to Reddit stems in part from a practical aspect. I TRIED using the official app, but it's as bad as Facebook these days and bombards me with ads. The user experience is terrible.
So if the API changes were reversed, that means I'd probably still use Sync to check some super-specialized subs or to look up answers from time to time.
But on the other hand, the damage's been done. I will not use Reddit where there's a viable alternative, and Kbin is not only a viable alternative but actually better for conversation and general discussions. It's a project I'm excited about instead of just using it by pinching my nose.
So I think a large part of the damage is already done. If Spez 100% reversed his decision, it'd still be too late. It's like a boyfriend/girlfriend being supremely shitty to you, then realizing their mistakes and apologizing sincerely... Although you might accept their apology, something about the relationship is already broken.
So I think whatever happens, Reddit has reached the Facebook stage for me. I'm still using Facebook for a few things like staying in touch with some friends or joining events, but the days where I'd go there to find interesting content are long gone.
11 year redditor here and this sums up almost exactly how I feel. There are 2-3 small niche communities that I may go back to if reddit reverses their API changes or at the very least commit to a reasonable rollout period like Christian Selig had proposed. But for my main content aggregation? I'm now fully onboard with this federated model, whether it be kbin, lemmy, or some mix of the two/some other great open source solution.
I'll stay here, I don't tolerate being treated like sh*it as they did, it's totally unacceptable. Even if they apologized, they shown their true colors, we know they would be lying.
I came here a couple of weeks ago and since then I did my best to be involved in lemmy communities so as to not miss reddit, and you know what? It worked :)
I'm not deleting my account because I want my data first (sent a GDPR request), but I don't really care anymore about what they do, nor I care about reddit as a platform, engagement here is much higher quality.
Still following news because it's entertaining, I love how the community got creative with the protest.
With my extremely limited, northern England born n bred vocabulary - fucken could not have said it any better. +1
I am willing to die for "fucken" to replace "fucking" in the dictionary
For me, it's not just that they screwed up the API changes, it's that they've repeatedly kept doubling down since then.
It's also ... I keep thinking back to Ellen Pao. They brought her in knowing that they wanted her to get rid of FPH and Victoria, knowing that at least the FPH thing was going to make her a target of the misogynistic GamerGate haters and bringing in a woman anyway, and they deliberately and repeatedly refused to give her any public support. It was completely reprehensible, and they cheerfully scapegoated her and kicked her to the curb when it was done.
As bad as that was, I also see elements of the same thing happening here, where this is a highly unpopular change, and there's no one else from reddit speaking up to support spez. I think they're going to have him force through the changes and then kick him to the curb like they did Ellen. They're not going to reverse any of the changes - it's what they want, after all, but they're going to let spez take all the heat and go on their merry way completely unphased.
To be completely honest, I think spez deserves this: his job as CEO is to have vision, manage public relations, and handle crises, and he's miserably failed at all of those. He misunderstood reddit's most valuable assets (it's commentary and the large group of people contributing and moderating the site for free), and he literally paid the API fees for some very profitable and potentially profitable companies to suck every piece of data from reddit; then he publicly targeted small publishers who enhance reddit instead of presenting them as collateral damage of the AI wars (I suspect to avoid bringing attention to his incredible lack of vision in letting everyone freely harvest data for their own lucrative products). And he's clearly failing in the PR and managing crises front as well. But I truly believe that everyone at reddit is perfectly happy to let spez do this thing that they want done, and then they'll throw him away when it's done in an attempt to appease the users.
Anyway, your question is "what will I do if reddit undoes the API changes". Given my beliefs, I simply don't see how I could possibly trust reddit management ever again. And trust is a really big thing with me; I don't think I could ever go back.
Unless you're reddit management, here to gauge user temperament, in which case I will totally return if the API changes are undone, yes, of course I will, just trust me!
Yeah, not a healthy working team there exactly.
I don't want to go back. I miss my subreddit - hell let's be honest, I miss /Reddit/ - but... Seeing how spez has acted and treated... /everyone/...
Like... We used the site, we provided the content, and the conversations, and the knowledge, the info, the jokes, the memes... That was all us. And it's like... I dunno he wants to eat his cake and have it to. He wants us there both for the content we provide as well as to monetize us and in a way I get it but it's like... ... When reddit was just the background... "the background" you didn't really think about it so much, you know? But it's like when Elon took over Twitter suddenly it's not just "Twitter" in the background it's now "Elon musks Twitter" and it's front and center and sleezy and scuzzy and you just want to not be a part of it anymore.
That feels like reddit now. Like how spez has been acting just makes it all feel dirty and horrible.
And I /miss/ reddit, I miss my subreddits. I miss googling any random idea and aphending reddit to the end of it and not even thinking about if it would show up on there because you just knew it would. Like it wasn't even a question... And I /miss/ that. So much. ... But it's like... /tainted/ now. I hate seeing reddit results from Google searches now.
And learning about how federation works reminds me of reading shadow run back in the day and how the matrix worked there with little nodes of info all talking to each other. In a way, then, the fediverse, to /me/, feels like the future...
So I'm willing to stay here and wait for it to grow and comment a little more than I ever did on reddit. Because I don't want to go back. And I don't think we should.
Bring your subs here. I'm sure you'll find new subscribers in lemmy/kbin. We're still growing so it might not be immediate, but I'm confident that as the fediverse matures and it gets simpler for people more will come. :)
I'm staying. The community has been nothing short of amazing. I don't get stressed when commenting or discussing things with people unlike reddit where a lot of interactions (not all, of course) are directly or indirectly motivated by karma.
Hell,I'd never have commented this if I were on reddit for fear of someone coming along and debating what I've said. Lol.
That's something I noticed on Reddit too. Half of everyone's existence there seems to be just for going fishing for possible arguments to get into.
Yeah. Most of my comments ended with arguing with someone so I started commenting less and less. Ended up a lurker. It's very different here.
Nothing will change my decision now. The trust is permanently broken and the damage is irreversible.
They've shown that they won't hesitate to kick out mods at a whim even when it goes against the community's wishes. Even if the API changes are walked back, Spez resigns and the company apologises, that's no longer enough to undo what they've destroyed. Reddit is done.
I was originally going to simply delete my Reddit account on the 30th. After seeing the farce unravel, I'm also going to nuke all content I've created on that platform at the same time. Scorched earth seems to be the only answer now and it's the least I can do after the continued disrespect they've shown to their users, mods and especially the third party app devs. They're nothing without the communities and the content that they've produced.
in case anyone wants to know how to do this
Yall, remember to mass edit your post history at least a couple of times before deleting your account. It will take a while (it took various hours to nuke 8k+ comments from my history) and time is getting shorter as we probably won't have access to automated tools once July comes.
Remember that Reddit complies with GDPR by anonimising your comments, not deleting them. If you want to nuke your post history, you have to do it now that you have the chance.
PowerDeleteSuite, Redact.dev, shreddit should all do edit+delete.
I personally used this fork, is slower but gets 100% of your comments and you can deselect the delete check to do more rounds of editing to reduce the risk of rollbacks (I've been doing a round every few days for a while):
Lmao even if it weren't just no out of principle, after spez's comments about how Twitter under Elon is a model for Reddit to look to - why would I waste an ounce of energy on such a platform?
Laugh at the fools who believe they won‘t just make the same changes in increments instead. Oh a reasonable level? Let me introduce inflation to you. Now pay more and make us content we can sell serf. That‘s the entire purpose of your existence in the eyes of a corporation.
Meh. I'm staying here. Reddit has been getting worse. The future should be federated, not centralized, so hopefully that stuff Reddit just did has very little chance of happening again.
There's nothing stopping them from doing it again, or doing something else just as anti-user. It's pretty clear that we can never trust Reddit again.
At this point, I'd be more likely to use facebook or geocities. Or start talking with strangers on a train. Sure, I miss some of my niche communities that didn't make the jump to kbinlemmy - but not enough to go back on my principles.
If a Google search spins out Reddit as a source for a solution, fine. Not making my life harder than I need to. But hanging out, generating data and content? Nope. Done.
Unless they fire their CEO and the whole board and make Reddit a non-profit organization I won't go back. It is absolutely clear that they only care about money and I won't help them with that if they react like dictators.
IT's to late, if u/spez changes his mind he still has the upper hand. he can turn it off at anytime and this shitshow will start all over again. I cut my loses on the 12th and haven't looked back and i'm happy about that. i had a 350k account and hit the frontpage 5x in 6 years. yea it was hard letting go but somebody gotta do it
From my perspective, the community harm is done, and those who have left prior to July 1 have left due to principles, not because their app stopped working.
Exactly this. Spez showed his hand clear as day: he's just another mildly sociopathic CEO that will gladly fuck anyone over to feed his bottom-line. That's dangerous as hell and I don't want my data in his hands.
I'm completely done with Reddit. The damage is already done. I have been much happier here on Lemmy since the 12th, not planning to leaving anytime soon.
Early adapters who has contributed to Reddit would have already emigrated to fediverse the next frontier because they're early adapters.
For me personally, I won’t delete my account right away but I will nonetheless try to come more and more to lemmy because the problem on Reddit isn’t just a u/spez one but rather a systematical problem. It can reappear again. They showed their true colors.
Reddit has proven itself untrustworthy. I would not be looking to use it again.
They could abandon their plans, apologize and then give everyone a cute puppy as a sorry, and I still wouldn't go back. Spez and his group of admins have shown their true colors, and it's because of them that I refuse to ever rejoin. Their actions this past week have been downright dictatorial, engaging in doublethink, hyperbole and creating rules when it benefits them despite no prior communication with the communities they've steamrolled by force.
As someone who recently had a 12 year old account, reddit and Spez can go fuck themselves.
Unfortunately I am financially depended on reddit rn, like 80% of my sales comes from there so I will continue to post on mechmarket. But I am posting here as well and left links to my kbin and Lemmy on my reddit profile
Reddit has clearly shown their priorities. If they change the policies now, they only do it for the money, not for the users.
Personally, this is the third or so time I’ve looked for viable alternatives to Reddit. Now that I have found one, I intend to stay here.
There are still some Reddit-exclusive communities I might go back to at some point. As this platform matures, I’ll probably try to get others to migrate here.a
Imagine if your partner is abusive as fuck and took advantage of you for years, and you managed to go away from them, then they stop being abusive and say they won't be like that again, How can you be sure that they'll stay that way? What keeps them from acting like a total piece of shit again?
I never really cared that much for the API. I just didn’t like the company and how its CEO behaved, and I truly enjoy watching fediverse taking off so here I am.
This is the same as me. When I first read about this issue I thought "fair enough if Reddit wants to charge for their API, they have server costs to pay". And I didn't use 3rd party apps.
But their behaviour since then is what makes me not want to use Reddit anymore. They clearly have no intention to treat users or mods with respect. When users are voting to close their subreddits, Reddit is forcing those subreddits open, because Reddit only cares about lining their pockets. They're ignoring democracy when it suits them, despite the CEO saying he thinks Reddit should be more democratic (because he thought users would vote out the mods - the outcome he wants). He clearly never cared about democracy at all.
I mean sure, every business ultimately cares about money, but most businesses are smart enough to not treat their users like crap. Most businesses recognise that you have to respect your users to at least some degree if you want them to keep using your services. Reddit seems to have completely forgotten that.
I spent the blackout time looking at the alternatives, and reducing the amount of time I spend on this type of browsing.. now I find that kbin has all I need for the smaller amount of browsing I do… it just needs an app with basic features and I will prob never go back to reddit except for stuff that shows up in google searches
I'll be the one to say that: if miraculously they reversed course and undid all of the projected changes by the end of the month, yeah I'd keep using Reddit. I didn't really leave on principle. I left because I heard my preferred format for accessing the site was going away, and I started looking into alternatives.
As long as I had RIF on mobile and Old Reddit with RES on desktop, I would have stayed there because the population is there.
But with all that being said, Old Reddit was slowly getting buggier and more and more users were cluttering discussions with asides about features that were completely absent on Old Reddit, so I was ready for a change. And with that being the case, in the extremely likely event that the third-party apps actually die at the end of the month, I'll see that as a welcome sign to continue giving this place a chance instead.
Unless there is a proper and thorough change of leadership and structures, I can't see myself returning. The API changes and all related problems are a symptom of the current organisation of reddit. Unless more power is given to the users stuff like that will keep happening imo.
The damage is done and the reddit project has failed. Reddit wil die the slow death of the abandoned, slowly losing relvance over time.
I think many reddit users have been curious about the fedverae, but nor ready to move. Or ready to put in the effort to learn. This certainly describes me. Reddit's actions were the push I needed.
So now we build something new and exciting. Reddit will just become the place we talk about in the greybeard threads a few years from now. That site we used to know.
I wouldn't care. I am only still using Reddit because of the Ukraine megathread in r/worldnews. As soon as we get something like this going, I leave it completely.
Why would I do anything? It's more about the admins' behavior than about the API changes at this point. Even if they undo the API changes, they can't undo the last week of assholery.
Not going back. I don't like their attitude toward their contributers/users.
They burned that bridge.. No going back.
I think I'll mostly be staying here. But there're a few subreddits that I might check from time to time. But if those communities move elsewhere then there's a chance that I would abandon Reddit entirely.
I will stay here, I deleted my Reddit Accounts anyway. And if u/spez role model really is Musk, there will be no revert to the change.
Will they? I lost any trust I have with spez and the admins.
I’m in the process of abandoning my Reddit account. I abandoned my Twitter a little while before the Muskening and once it became finalized I really didn’t want to go back, but I kind of regret not saving more memes/screenshots so I’m making sure to actually archive things this time.
I don’t want to go back. The fediverse has everything and more; I would like to think that we can keep up this wonderful sense of community here. Meanwhile the toxicity on Reddit has gotten even worse.
It’s like having the opportunity to have an amicable separation from a toxic ex.
Reddit was unusable way before the last scandal. Main problems being arbitrary, opaque moderation, astroturfing, low-effort posts, bots, general meanness and negativity.
It got to the point where it felt like you were more likely to interact with a bot or a propagandist than a normal human being.
Reddit is an advertising platform masquerading as social media.
It'll probably happen here too, but it might take a while.
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