Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate: 'It's a mess' (www.nbcnews.com)

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I finally got around to watching it. Biden did not look like a corpse. He looked and sounded like a fucken eighty year old man because he is. Trump's unending torrent of lies was unhinged and that doesn't get covered. Biden looked as fucken pissed as an old ass dude can when he clapped back about his son not being a loser and that was pretty good. Everyone is clamoring over the obvious. Biden is fucken old. We know this. This is what Trump will be like at the end of the next presidency if he is elected but far more insane.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Biden was bad for the first 10 minutes. By the 40 minute mark he was fine but he already lost the audience and the tiny attention span of modern Americans is evident.

That's... Whatever. I get it. We're in the tiktok age of short discussions. Expect more of this moving forward.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I don’t think that’s true. He was especially bad for the first bit of it but throughout he was stumbling over words, mumbling, he was hoarse. And then he got worse at the tail end too and forgot what he was even saying during his closing. Also what’s up with the listing things in numbers over and over and over? The whole thing was really awful to listen to and I’ve never heard him sound older honestly.

[-] entropicdrift 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Using numbered lists is a common tactic in debates and other public speaking when you have prepared talking points you want to hit.

Basically it's a mnemonic technique to help make sure you list all of your best points/pieces of evidence. You list them in the same order every time so that to recall the next point on the list you just need to remember the overall topic and the number that you're on. That way it's easier to contextualize the memory and retrieve it consistently.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Did everyone forget Biden's 2020 performance?

When Biden is being forced and trained like this, he's awful. It wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd debate where all the debate-prep finally decided 'Let Biden go out there without prep and just be more honest with himself / honest personal style" that Biden did well.

I should have known that "Weeks of debate prep at Camp David" was a bad idea.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Luckily, presidents duties and performance in their job is not dependent upon these stupid "debates."

Anyways, Biden has always been an absolutely horrible public speaker. He mumbles, stumbles over words and rambles on. That's not his string suit, but it doesn't particularly matter for his job performance.

However, yes he is old. But at least he surrounds himself with incredibly talented staff, picks amazing leaders to run in his cabinet, and seems to generally listen and take advice.

Which is the polar opposite of what trump does., in so many ways.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

We all know he’s old. That’s the problem. His time is up and the sooner he accepts it, the sooner we can look for a replacement. Believing he is the only one who can beat trump is ridiculous.

[-] wesley@yall.theatl.social 18 points 5 months ago

It's too late. If the Dems wanted to switch candidates they should have started 2 years ago. There's not enough time to get aligned on a new candidate and ramp up a presidential candidate capable of the turnout necessary to beat Trump. And there's too much at stake.

Biden dropping out would be a huge gift for Trump at this point.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Biden running is a huge gift for Trump

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

He's already the incumbent. You'd need Roosevelt Reborn to come down from the fucken skies to have a chance in this polarized landscape. I dont think switching would pay off. I think its a checkmate.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

“The decision-makers are two people — it’s the president and his wife,” one of the sources familiar with the discussions said, adding: “Anyone who doesn’t understand how deeply personal and familial this decision will be isn’t knowledgeable about the situation.”

The DNC keeps saying it up to Biden...

Which is the exact opposite of what their lawyers have spent the last decade saying

We could have—and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dnc-lawyer-reportedly-said-they-could-have-chosen-between-clinton-sanders-over-cigars-in-back-rooms/

The DNC can say Biden isn't the best shot at beating trump, so they're not going with Biden.

They just don't want to.

They only want to pull the party right, never left.

Even if that means republicans win.

But this isnt just a "deeply personal and familial decision" it's the fucking future of our country and it's more important than Joe Biden

[-] bobburger@fedia.io 3 points 5 months ago

But one DNC lawyer’s argument actually tries to justify the party’s right to be biased on behalf of one primary candidate over another, according to an article from The Young Turks. In other words, they could have chosen their nominee over cigars in a backroom. That’s what the attorney reportedly said in a Florida federal court:

Do you have a more reliable source than "a laywer said"? Do you know which lawyer is alleged to have said it? Do you know if that lawyer is still working for the DNC? Have the DNC bylaws changed sine 2017 when this quote is alleged to be from?

You're making a lot of assumptions based on a poorly sourced anonymous quote from 7 years ago.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

They may be referring to the Wilding v. DNC Services Corp case. DNC lawyers argued that they could overturn the democratic results of the primary if they so choose.

The DNC won that case.

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[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

I wish he’d do the right thing and drop out. It’s 2 months until the convention and there is a long list of people who are not trump. The bar is low and any D will do at this point

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Biden shouldn't drop out until a solid plan moving forward is established.

Do we even know if a Democrat can unify the party if he drops out? Or will the replacement be worse?

As I've pointed out in other topics: people need to start listing names, and I need to start seeing those names consolidate into one obvious choice. IMO, Newcom, Kamala and Buttigege are out as non-starters.

Kamalas best chance is for Biden to hold the election and then promise to resign on January 2025 for example. Which I'm not particularly against but y'all ignore the racism of Pennsylvania and Arizona voters at your own peril. Biden serves as a useful shield for Kamala in this instance.

Buttigege is worse. An openly gay man in this age where Don't Say Gay is entering mainstream is a political mistake. Newcom is all sorts of compromised on both left and right issues.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Man...

Sounds like the party should have let an open and fair primary happen...

Could have seen what Biden on a debate stage was like 6 months ago...

Voters could have had all sorts of time to evaluate possible paths forward....

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[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Bernie is older, but sharp as ever. I know it’ll never happen though. The DNC would rather give it to trump, again

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Kamala Harris is the sitting VP. She is in the conversation by default. If God exercises His ultimate recall vote on Biden tomorrow, then Harris inherits both the job and the ticket.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

“President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday,” the New York Times reports.

“Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.”

“Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself to change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet.”

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

His performance was poor enough that I'd argue he not only should step down as the candidate, he should step down as President and let Harris run the show for the rest of the year.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Like, it's hard to make the call, but someone has to be the adult in the room and take Grandpa's keys before his next trip to Country Kitchen Buffet.

Everybody wants to act like Biden isn't driving down the interstate with our kids in the backseat.

It's not enough that's he's not intentionally trying to get in a crash, he needs to be a safe driver. And we can't just let Grandpa keep driving till he gets on the interstate via an exit ramp. We need to take his license before he kills anyone.

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