But they want users to vote out mods?

They don't want subreddits to close, but they've closed several.

Seems almost like their complaints actually don't make sense given their own actions are just an excuse...

Every day it amazes me the new ways they find to fuck up

Again, not a surprise. Totally awful, outrageous, and immoral.

But sadly, par for the course. The mods should allow a vote to move to the fediverse, and leave the sub permanently private in that case.

Or if reddit won't give them the chance to vote, just do it anyways. Like the admins just do what they want, so turnabout is fair play, amirte?

The blackouts that had no impact on revenue and would totally blow over in a few days appear to not have blown over and are impacting revenue enough to warrant forcing them open.

Which is it fuck-u-spez?

Reddit: "Democracy is what I say it is"

For scale:

According to wikipedia the population of finland is 5.6 million.

Reddit keeps moving the goalposts, the mods adapt, Reddit comes back with "No, wait, not like that!!" and the mods adapt again.... this cycle moves Reddit more and more towards a dictatorship and completely at odds with their own Content Policy:

The culture of each community is shaped explicitly, by the community rules enforced by moderators, and implicitly, by the upvotes, downvotes, and discussions of its community members.

People are already in open revolt. It's only a matter of time before a huge swath of the decent mods that genuinely care about their communities will be left with no choice but to throw in the towel completely. And Reddit will be left with a bunch of scabs, egotistical mods and bad actors/bots to take over modding (or no mods at all)... and Reddit's journey towards enshittification will be complete.

'deny the right' not sure the users had that in the first place

Wow, I should think it should be some kind of regulatory concern that Reddit is artifically inflating traffic counts as they're approaching an IPO, no? For a company whose revenue comes from advertising and user impressions, lying about user traffic is lying about profitability.

Honestly, If I were the mods Id nuke the whole subreddit: delete anything of importance, especially any important asset you made for that community (say, FAQs, resources, links, banners, logos, etc.) or better than delete it, edit it out with information as to where you are migrating, leave the shit behind. When you are done leave the sub closed till they take it away from you, and best of luck to anyone that has to rebuild again from nothing.

Users don't own subreddits unless they make them. The user who makes the subreddit owns and moderates the sub, and has the authority to delegate moderation to others. If you don't like how a subreddit is run, you're supposed to make your own, not take it over.

Reddit's admins are making up the rules as they go along.

I wonder if the next move would be to ban posts that invite people to move to reddit alternatives. Elon Musk did that with twitter, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Huffman tried to do the same. Maybe communities should use this time to organize on where to move while they still can have those kind of discussions.

That's not true. What they said was that the users who voted make up a tiny portion of the overall userbase.

However, you can't force them all to vote. You can only ask and accept the answer of the active ones that choose to participate.

Reddit must be exhausted playing these ethics games. Just admit that they want to kill 3rd party apps and they're not going to tolerate malicious compliance with the rules.

2 million individual users that had a chance to participate. That's literally how democracy works.

They're really stomping you lot out, aren't they. Tyrannical.