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Expected to arrive at the end of the year, Cities Skylines 2 increasingly shows what is his goal: after some promotional trailers, the game seems to aim for

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[–] Andjhostet@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope it isn't locked into a liberalism ideology too much. If I want to make food and housing a human right, workers employed by the state, and/or democratically owned workplaces do I have the option for that?

My utopian city has no landlords or bourgeoisie and I hope I can make that happen.

[–] amio@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why don't you go make a socialist city builder game, then? The means of production are right there for the seizing, my friend, go learn game dev right now.

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No learn, only seize

Edit: guys I was making a joke. If you're going to seize anything, please learn how it works first.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s communist, not socialist, but there is the fantastic Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic game made by slovakians as a criticism of the time under the soviet union.

Colossal Order is Finnish though, so I have reasonable confidence they know socialism != communism. It’s more of an interesting twist that they let you try the orphan-crushing option.

[–] Andjhostet@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The distinction between socialism and communism gets a little silly imo. Some people claim that communism is a stateless society, and that countries like the Soviet Union practiced socialism, which is just a stepping stone towards communism. You seem to be implying the opposite. Either way, there's like a million different things you could call these ideologies (state-socialism, market socialism, democratic-socialism, communism, anarcho-communism, Stalinism, etc)

Ultimately, I just want workers to own the means of production in my city, whatever you want to call that.

[–] amio@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fair enough, I was just consciously avoiding "communist" because, I don't even know. Anything is socialist in American terms and I'm just confused, it seemed like "yur commie" would be slightly too on the nose. Not that I care too much when the context is someone's spamming game threads.

[–] Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder if building realistic cities is possible. Not being able to do it was turn off for me in the first game

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What do you mean? I thought the first one was one of the most "grounded" city builders ever made. Do you mean specific mechanics or maybe visual styles?

[–] Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I mean how cities are made/planned in real life

In Cities Skylines you have residencial, commercial, industrial and office zones, right? That is not how you make a city irl. Photographic proof

https://iloftmalaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/23.jpg
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/vr-splice-j/06/2c/0c/ee.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/3c/19/e83c19a673784c08e68b45cf58a937e2.jpg
https://www.65ymas.com/uploads/s1/77/34/5/calle-mateos-gago-de-sevilla-una-de-las-ma-s-emblematicas-de-la-ciudad.jpeg
https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCMedios/noticias/2010/01Enero/21Jueves/NotasPrensa/TioPepe/ficheros/Edificio%20tio%20pepe.jpg

irl when you make an apartment building the ground floor is used for commercial purposes (you can have banks, restaurants, clothes stores, butchers, surpermarkets, whatever...) as you can see in the photos I linked.

Even more, you can buy (or rent) an appartment and make it an office for your business, so, appart from industrial zones, everything is mixed irl

The developer is European idk why the game focuses only in american style city planning that are highly inefficient and car-centric. You barelly need a car when you have access to all kind of services at 10 or 15 minutes walking

The ingame "High density residential zones" should include some type of commercial activity in the city to be more realistic

[–] phi1997@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know one thing it didn't simulate was parking

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They've got that this time, and it is modeled, at least a little bit, off of real world things like people deciding to go somewhere based on parking availability and such.