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[-] popcornheadlines@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

No you’re getting billed for this too

[-] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

The coast guard will be asking for more funding to reimburse the cost of the search and rescue. Guess where their funding comes from?

[-] downpunxx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 6 points 1 year ago

Worse they will get to sue everyone associated with the failed rescue.

[-] dominoko@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Of course not. No consequences for the billionaires. Instead, we will pay.

[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

In my state we have a stupid motorist law that bills the driver if the drive into a flooded wash and need to get rescued. This typw of law should apply. Accidents are Accidents. But if you willfully ignore safety regulations and signage you get the bill.

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[-] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Remeber that time a couple wanted to sail around the world, bought a boat but didn't know how to sail rally, took their newborn on it, then had to get rescued at sea? People were pissed about the cost of that rescue, calling the couple dumb and entitled and whatnot. I think they had to pay some of the rescue cost back. Personally I don't know that I'm wild about charging people for rescues, it's hard to draw a line between legitimate adventure travel, say hiking in a national park, and a reckless stunt.

[-] ToastyWaffle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I haven't landed at a position on it either, but I could definitely see how if people understood they had to pay at least some portion of the rescue costs, they will try to be more educated and prepared when venturing out into the wild/at sea. Its extremely important to take this stuff seriously and too many people already treat nature like a joke and get themselves in terrible situations cause they just know a helicopter can come pick them up*

[-] johnkree@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

What really makes me angry is that media is full of some millionaires drowning in a rattle can steered with a 30$ Logitech controller while there are 100s of people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea every week because they are illegally pushed back by authorities and media is silent about it...

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What do you mean, the media is silent about this? There's tons of articles about that exact thing.

[-] redballooon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

But for the last 4 days the very top of every newsanchors' headline was something else. Probably that's what he means.

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[-] denton@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Billionaires, huuuuuuuge difference in wealth even if it's only a letter apart

[-] mido@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A million seconds is 11 eleven days, a billion seconds is 31 years

Always remember that difference to have a filling of how filthy rich billionaires are

[-] loklan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My favourite version of this is "the difference between a million and a billion is about a billion"

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[-] Luxsidus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Similar kind of stuff happens all the time, where public institutions bear the cost and consequences of private enterprises. Good example of a not too dissimilar situation was Memorial Hospital during Katrina, where instead of sending private helicopters and rescue, the firm that owned the hospital opted to wait for "free" US government rescue.

Privatize the profits, but socialize the losses.

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[-] Heronheart@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

It will probably be the company that owns the sub that get's billed. Given that the founder and CEO of the company was the pilot of the sub the company will probably declare bankruptcy.

[-] tal@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

If this is referring to the submarine rescue, generally-speaking, rescue efforts by the US Coast Guard or the Park Service or the like are paid for by the government. Interestingly, at least for the Park Service, this is the opposite of the situation with Europe, where it's common to have rescue insurance if one is heading out into the wilderness hiking or whatnot. This is the reverse of the situation with medical services.

[-] AthiestLoki@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Which means ultimately it's paid by us.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

In general I'm all for having it paid for but in this instance, nope.

[-] pwnstar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The coast guard has never charged for search and rescue. This was not an ambulance ride.

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[-] webghost0101@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Tbf if its proven the titan wasn't up to regulation it should 100% be the company that build the sub that needs to be held accountable. If not the bill should go to whatever got the rescue people involved. Then the insurance that covered such exotic and dangerous ride. (Just like i had insurance when i went to see the pyramids). If its not any above the above than it means the passengers took 100% responsibility and the families should pay up.

Hundereds of immigrants died this week on a ship, no one gave a fuck. Not a penny spend.

I am hoping someone more informed then me can do a comparison how long we could provide shelter and food to those immigrants with that amount of spend money. The internet cant enforce fair economic treatment between the classes but we can call out the hypocrisy.

[-] pwnstar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There was already an article that basically said they will be immune from any lawsuits. They operated in international waters outside the scope of any laws or regulations on how the submersible needed to be rated. I hope they can find grounds to sue them and kill the company, maybe they will be open to civil lawsuits?

[-] fsk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There's nobody to sue. The CEO is dead. Oceangate is a bankrupt company with no assets.

[-] Mando@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Huh, interesting. Then what is the actual point of the liability waivers they had to sign?

[-] pwnstar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Apparently it covers their ass since they would only be held liable if they misrepresented the dangers. Since they mention death 3 times on the first page, I don't think they did.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2023/06/22/oceangate-submarine-lawsuit/

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[-] wotsit_sandwich@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Where I live if you fall and injure yourself on an established hiking/climbing route, in season, you will be rescued for free (regular ambulance rides are free anyway).

If you climb or hike off track, out of season you might be charged for a helicopter ride or mountain rescue. As you can imagine it's not cheap.

[-] ultimate_question@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

regular ambulance rides are free anyway

what in tarnation

[-] Trashcan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Non-americans are not shocked by this😇

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[-] rycee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This seems quite reasonable to me, and if you are doing the more risky activities, then presumably you'd get some insurance to take the edge off the rescue charges.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Nah, that sort of shit is for plebs.

[-] TheShane@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I would have expected that the owner of the submarine pieces would be footing the bill for this. After all, he is at the head of this fuck-up.

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[-] administrator@lemmy.pro 7 points 1 year ago

Oh this is when their lawyers turn around and point out they were doing some kind of scientific “research” on behalf of someone’s pet charity organization so it’s all exempt and they pay zero.

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[-] Harlan_Cloverseed@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago
[-] ChemicalRascal@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The submersible that imploded near the Titanic wreck.

[-] vyvanse@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Even if they did have to pay, it's insignificant when you're that wealthy

[-] dgilluly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I wish. But what I know of the current affair of things, I can only hypothesize two outcomes:

  1. The benefit after the costs of potential rescue, and now the discovery of 5 recognizable pieces of the craft, will be a learning moment and there will be more regulation of deep sea diving for tourism in the near future. And the families of the victims will say that's enough and probably name the legislation after one, or a few of the victims.

  2. The family of the victims will make sure OceanGate will never build another deep sea vessel ever again. This one will depend on the legal logistics. Just like how some airlines caused airliner crashes due to pure negligence, some of the first-class families weren't able to sue them into non-existence due to international airspace and/or waters protections.

Because either of those two things are what typically happens in such a scenario. At least lately.

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[-] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 5 points 1 year ago

I got a $2000 bill for an ambulance. And then kept getting nickel and dimed by them for $200, $100 charges for the next two years. The whole system is screwed up.

[-] Unblended@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I wonder to what extent the massive imbalance in news coverage was simply super wealthy families handing journalists pre-written pieces so that laziness would dictate this result (rather than the journalists doing this naturally, although laziness is natural enough I guess).

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