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Signups opened this week for Loops, a short-form looping video app from the creator of Instagram alternative Pixelfed, reports TechCrunch.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 32 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

TikTok gathering data and selling it to whoever is a problem but it's not the problem.

The problem of TikTok and many other social media is that it drains our energy and motivation. It's like digital weed, creates the feeling that there's no reason to change things. We can just consume things.

[-] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 4 points 38 minutes ago

Nah man, Social Media Companies are at an evil genius level of greed. They are the ones creating the feeling of consuming a "digital weed," as you call it. Blaming the users is tantamount to saying the world is polluted because people love cars, as if the oil and gas lobby isn't cultivating that and profiting massively off of it.

[-] derek@infosec.pub 1 points 6 minutes ago

That's a problem. Absolutely. It's not the problem though. I'm not sure the problem can be summarized so succinctly. This is the way I've been putting it:

These are the top reasons humanity needs successful, decentralized, open social media platforms:

  1. Collecting and selling user's private data is dangerous and unethical.
  2. Using that data to intentionally and directly manipulate user's thinking is even worse.
  3. All of the major centralized social media companies have been proven to either allow these illicit information campaigns or coordinate them directly. TikTok is the focus right now but Sophie Zhang exposed Facebook for doing exactly what TikTok has been exposed for recently. Can you recall any meaningful consequences for Facebook? Do you think Facebook is now safe to use?
  4. It's clear that most political leaders are either too ignorant, too corrupt, or too inept to meaningfully legislate against these problems.
  5. The concerned public can't shut Pandora's box. No one is coming to save us from big tech or the monied interests and nation-states that wield it.
  6. The concerned public can't easily and legally audit the platforms big tech builds because they are closed and proprietary.
  7. Personal choice is not enough. Not using centralized social media increases personal safety but does little to curb its influence otherwise.

These are listed by order of intuitive acceptance rather than importance. I find it aids the conversation.

The best reasonable answer to these problems I've seen proposed is for the public to create an open and decentralized alternative that's easier to use and provides a better user experience.

Will that kind of alternative be a force for pure good? I'm not sure. To your point: I'm not convinced social media of any kind can be more than self-medication to cope with modernity. Then again I've had incredible and meaningful conversations with close friends after passing the bong around and spent time on Facebook/Reddit, and now Mastodon/Lemmy/etc, doing the same. Those interactions were uplifting and humanizing in ways that unified and encouraged all involved.

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We need to take care of each other, refuse pure hedonism, and protect the vulnerable (and we're all varying degrees of vulnerable). At the same time: humans aren't happy in sterile viceless productivity prisons. Creating spaces for leisure which do no harm in the course of their use isn't just a nice idea... It's necessary for a functional and happy society.

[-] literally_a_dog@lemm.ee 20 points 2 hours ago

Barkbarkbark

TikTok is designed to make you consume and not meaningfully engage. As complex as the algorithm is, users' ability to participate in discussions is severely limited.

ByteDance is capable of writing software that predicts what you want to see next, but it can't write comment sorting, or basic threading like Reddit?

The severe limitations in communication are deliberate. You're not supposed to engage meaningfully, you're supposed to look at it, feel something, and then scroll.

One of the reasons I like seeing new social media startups (like Lemmy) is that the current offerings are harmful to us, and any challenge to them as the potential to make positive change.

Bark

[-] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

I'm still waiting for the further instructions they promised to send by mail lol

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago

ITT: People in their mid-twenties or later, who feel superior to those that like one form of media over their preferred media.

Elitism aside, I don't really see what federation solves here. What benefits does federation offer the user? How does the recommendation algorithm give users what they want? How will a decentralised platform perform the kind of centralised events a platform like TikTok is known for?

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 46 minutes ago

the benefit i can see is that instead of having to share out to other social media, you can just see it in any fediverse account you have thanks to activity pub which eliminates one of the barriers to being viral.

that said i don't think it will get mainstream appeal.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago
[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't think they'll be able to do any type of direct competition for TikTok with a lack of advertising and payments You're not going to draw quality creators. Decentralized algorithm sounds like a nightmare to manage.

However one place they will have some advantage is censorship. Anything that's not explicitly illegal Will be a hell of a lot harder to stamp out. Moderation will probably be very light.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

A distributed service is much less vulnerable to being bought up by a single narcissistic billionaire who can ruin the online experience of millions of people at once.

A distributed service like Lemmy is spread out over 600 Instances in countries all over the world. If someone buys the most popular Lemmy Instance and wrecks it, those users can simply move to the same communities on the second or third or fourth most popular Instance and the original Instance will wither and die. This also works for communities with power tripping moderators. You can quickly find out through a search which community is the "real" one by the number of subscribers it has.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

But again, what tangible benefit does that have for the average user? They don't give a fuck about billionaire ownership, moderation, or where an "instance" or server is located.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

Well, you should care about it because that's how online communities get ruined. Case in point: Twitter has become a propaganda tool for an apartheid-loving fascist since he bought it.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Why should a user care about the health of an online community? To them it should "just work".

(I'm being purposely facetious here, because the average person really doesn't care about this shit. When Twitter no longer serves its purpose to them they just leave and go to the next place)

[-] Waryle@jlai.lu 17 points 4 hours ago

ITT: People in their mid-twenties or later, who feel superior to those that like one form of media over their preferred media.

You're just waving away an important fact, which is that shorts and their equivalents are notoriously known for killing attention spans and disrupting the management of dopamine in the brain, causing depression in particular.

We are no longer simply in the traditional custom of the elderly who despise the activities of the younger generations, we are talking about health.

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

While true, how is that any different to the arguments that were used for TV? Additionally, Lemmy is a social network in the same way that Reddit is. Is this not also dangerous?

As has been the recommendation for practically everything for the four decades I've been on this earth, moderation is key. Instead of hating new media, either regulate it (if the evidence is truly that great) or treat it with healthy moderation.

Let's be blunt here. Most of the people in this thread aren't worried about health. They don't like short-form video/foreign-owned companies/things they didn't grow up with, and their elitism is getting the better of them instead of them letting people like what they want to like.

[-] ugjka@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I made a rule that i only do social media on desktop pc. Phone is only for emails and rss feeds. Seems to work

[-] minstrel@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 4 hours ago

Federation can solve the danger zone content for you, how about a federation network with just kids content, other with more adult ones, etc to the just nsfw isolated from each others?

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

That's...actually a really good use case for something like this. I'd argue that a recommendation algorithm that tailors to the best content a given federated service can provide for their use-case is probably a better source than what you'd get from a single source of truth that could give you everything and nothing.

[-] fxdave@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

You may see shorts in lemmy in the near future because of that.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago

Authwalls, data sovereignty, self controlled open source algorithms for finding content without manipulation by corporations, etc

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[-] mark@programming.dev 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Not interested in the short-video concept. But I like the name, though. Short, sweet, doesn't sound too "techy", not too complicated to pronounce or spell.

[-] mEEGal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

will it be fruity ?

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 3 hours ago

Sounds cool for hosting videos! Maybe I'll try it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago

Awesome! This sounds like a much better way for me to share the occasional video of either or both of my dogs being super cute on c/dogs (and on other non-Lemmy forums) than relying on an anonymous YouTube account.

(I may have partially used this post as an excuse to share a video of one of my dogs being super cute.)

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

Bröthër, whërë ärë my lööps?

[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

big Pete why are you so BIG

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

(insert here the "The TikTok at home" meme format) So actually I did my own with PeerTube (self hosted server side) and Latrix (mobile client to live stream) and you can see the result at https://video.benetou.fr/w/p/hfPcHz1kCgnM6zKhfPrS4b (playlist of 6 short videos with progress over time).

I'd argue it... works. Is it necessary or useful? Well I didn't keep up with the format but it potentially can be. My point being... we already have quite a few tools in place.

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