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I think it's sus to have an "anti-idpol" comm that seems to have been created by a fresh account (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by rentasonder@lemmygrad.ml to c/lemmygrad_court@lemmygrad.ml

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Not sure that anything rule-breaking has happened, just pushing the "this seems like weird wrecker shit" button early.

https://lemmygrad.ml/c/noidpol

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

c/noidpol

Finally, a place to talk about the most influential political figure of the late 20th century!

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Have banned the user and removed their content. Thank you all for your patience.

[–] KrasnaiaZvezda@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks!

Although one thing that I found weird is that when I reported one of the posts the report seems to have gone straight to the owner of the community, ie. the perpetrator. So is there a better/faster way to report such things than starting a thread about it?

[–] rentasonder@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Thank you!!!

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh hey this is the person I just encountered basically saying we need to court reactionaries to get anywhere.

Yawn.

Edit: apparently they don't seem to understand what idpol means? They seem to think it means socdemism and reformism/electoralism

[–] ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Racism, sexism, homophobia and other -isms and -phobias are forms of discrimination: prejudicial attitudes based on stereotypes

This seems like a very idealist view of oppression. Racism isn't based on mental prejudices or attitudes but on concrete power structures that the ruling class uses against these groups.

Overall I don't think we should ban them for now but we should keep a close eye on them.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago

Yeah that was my first thought as well.

This doesn't read like something valid to focus on. It's never been a problem in the organizing that I've done. Why a comm dedicated to this?

[–] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

I don't think their minds are in the wrong place, necessarily (though I do see they conflate reformism with idpol).

The conflict between “identity politics” and class is pretty simple. You have to believe one is the outgrowth of the other. Either people have fixed identities based on some metaphysical “essence” within their race, ethnicity, sex, etc, and that therefore dictates everything in their lives including their class status (the position held by both far right Nazis and, ironically, “progressive” liberals). Or you take a materialist view that a person’s class is determined by historical trends and the way society is structured, and that their “identity” is largely shaped by that as well. To be black or white or queer, is really just to define yourself along the boundaries of power in the capitalist structure.

That being said, if their focus on superstructural societal matters continue as such, in a reactionary direction, a la MLGJoe, we may have to reconsider

If they branch out to talk about socialist economics and foreign policy against western imperialism, then I assume they're good