Hey, we don't know, he could be hiding a full squad of terrorists in his shirt, you need 4 guys in full armor beating him with a fifth watching over.
You can never be too safe with imaginary threats.
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Why is the video cut like that? Is there a longer version?
For context:
White Europeans are perpetrating a genocide on the native population of the land they invaded while playing the victim and breaking many treaties, international human rights laws, and the credibility of the UN.
These are IDF soldiers which will one day be remembered broadly as akin to "Gestapo" or perhaps just "Nazis". Here in the video there is a gang of Israeli state sanctioned terrorists beating an unarmed lanky man in light clothing.
Despite the fact that there could not be an excuse to simply beat this man on the street some particularly depraved people will grasp for any excuse to hate the oppressed and glorify the oppressors.
The video is cut, likely because Israel will kill journalists it thinks might expose the inhumanity endemic to the nations sickness. They consider them to be acceptable targets because the journalists can provide evidence of the monstrous behavior of this right wing religious ethnostate.
Who's land did they invade? It seems the jews legally migrated there and founded a nation after the British no longer wanted the territory.
Gaza and Wes bank. Those land was always Palestinian lands
You're right. I thought he was referring to pre 1948 times as an invasion.
OMG, this comment is such a simplistic, woke narrative that has nothing to do with reality. Your Marxism is showing.
Please explain to me how their narrative is simplistic and have nothing to do with reality.
In case you don't know history, Palestine has been predominately Muslim since the 12th century. In 1800 there were 2000 Jews living there, to 246000 Muslims. In 90 years, there was 43000 Jewish people. 1922, 84000 Jews to 589000 Muslims. 1931 - 175000 Jews to 760000 Muslims Then came 1947 and magically 630000 Jews to 1181000 Muslims. Then during Nakba, 750000 Palestinians were thrown out from their homes. 55% of Palestine was assigned to less than 30% of population, a population that literally wasn't there 150 years before. Israel then took 78% of the land, ignoring the UN.
So people who previously owned 7% of the land and consisting of 30% of the population, got the larger half of all of the territory, 2/3rds of the coastline, then took even more of it.
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Imagine supporting literal nazis. If you ever thought you were a good person - right now shows you aren't. You are a genocide apologist. Countless orgs deemed it a genocide - including the UN and Amnesty International. You are naive if you think Israel will stop. But there is no point in arguing with a zionist.
I don't think you know what the word "literal" means. But anyway, we disagree about how to categorize what is happening in Israel, and possibly what the solution might be, but I don't think you are a bad person because of it. I don't even know you. But I hope you have a good day.
There is no "debate" here or "agree to disagree". You are a genocide denier, plain and simple. You don't have a moral highground here.
I’ll let the Israelis themselves fill in the blanks - but just ask yourself was this group of Israeli police really trying to get him to the ground to make an arrest? Or were they beating the shit out of him as their first priority?
[the Israeli state’s] actions always conform to the power structure of ruler and subject, mechanisms that leave Palestinians entirely at the mercy of decisions made by Israelis: officials of the Civil Administration (the branch of the military designated to handle civil matters in Area C of the West Bank), judges, politicians, Israel Security Agency officers, prison guards, soldiers and Border Police officers.
Idk if they were trying to arrest him or beat him both could be likely that's why I need context and I am extra suspicious that the context has been intentionally cut.
I hope you are not one of those "we don't know the context people" to justify actions against Palestinians civilians
I am. Which is why I suspect this clip is shortened for propaganda purposes. I know Palestinian propaganda pushers don't like context or history but it's important for judging actions.
I know how things are between idf and Palestinians. I know that it's completely possible that this could be idf misconduct but I want to know the context because it's completely possible that this video is shortened because the full video would not evoke any reaction.
Actually it's pro Israel who don't like contexts like zionists leaders admitting they want the whole land under the pretext that they has an kingdom 2000 years ago
Extreme zionist rhetoric is nothing compared to multiple Arab countries and terrorist groups saying they want to destroy Israel and then going to war multiple times in multiple different decades, and constantly fighting an insurgent war on multiple fronts for the better part of a century.
Only few people still want to completely destroy Israel most people want Israel out of the West bank and a completely free Gaza
The circonstances is different in 47. Why would people born in the land accept recent foreigners to create a state in their land? Especially when Israel first prime minister said this
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine
It is not a coincidence that Gaza and West bank was occupied 20 years after the nekba Israel first president
partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years
67 war was not a pre-emptive war as Israel admission
The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.
I hope that you didn't know already about tantura but if you didn't. Go watch it, if you don't change your stand on Israel self defence propaganda. There is no point in continuing this debate.
Only few people still want to completely destroy Israel
Yes since Isreal has made peace with a lot of its old enemies. But the people that still do are people on Isreals border.
The circumstances is different in 47. Why would people born in the land accept recent foreigners to create a state in their land? Especially when Israel first prime minister said this
I dont blame arabs for the first arab isreali war i think that Arabs were reasonably justified.
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine. It is not a coincidence that Gaza and West bank was occupied 20 years after the nekba Israel first president
That quote doesn't really indicate your point. From what i could find that quote was at a time when they had been offered a partition that wouldn't even give them a majority Jewish state. Arabs at the time were very clear that they did not want any jewish state and my timeline might be a bit off but I think this was around the time when members of the Arab council were meeting with Hitler.
Its reasonable to me that some jews would see any deal as their only path to a legitimate state not knowing if another option was around the corner. In the context around that quote Ben Gurion talks about acquiring land through legitimate means and "other means" so its possible he might have wanted to expand through war later down the line but we will never know because Arabs decided to settle the dispute through war and ended up giving Isreal territorial expansion on a silver platter. Then did so again and again with no end to the fighting in sight.
I dont fault Arabs for pushing back against the jewish migration and I dont at all fault jewish people for migrating there.
67 war was not a pre-emptive war as Israel admission
No, I completely disagree with this. There is no way you can reasonably claim it wasnt a per-emptive war. Egypt removed UN troops and started massing troops on the border then closed the Suez Canal an act which they knew Isreal considered a declaration of war. Egypt then signs a defense pact with Jordan and Iraq and Egypt moves troops to Jordan. I don't know about you but if I had history of surrounding nations attacking and saw they were removing neutral troops and massing their own troops on the borders, blockading shipping routes that they knew would case a war I would take that as a sign war is imminent.
Post 67 war is where I start to really fault Isreal and blame them for how things are today. They offered citizenship to people in some areas and even though most declined I believe they should have given that offer to every person in the newly occupied territory and then either expel everyone who declined and drawn new borders or absorb the new citizens into Isreal and give the land back to Egypt and Jordan. Occupying the land in some kind of grey zone is a terrible idea even at the time and is the reason things are so fucked to this day.
I hope that you didn’t know already about tantura but if you didn’t.
I didn't actually know about this and I agree its fucked up but it does not personally change anything to me. Everything was on the line during that war and there were estimated to be up to 70 massacres committed during the war. It doesn't strike me as one side being uniquely evil. Only one group of people being evil.
if you don’t change your stand on Israel self defence propaganda
Yea there is a lot of Isreali propaganda and its terrible but Isreal is (or was) a liberal democracy and because of that they argue, debate and acknowledge their history. I dont see Arabs doing any of that but maybe they do it just doesn't get translated. The palestinan propaganda is insane to me the way they lie about events with no regard for being truthful reminds me of MAGA followers.
Not even most people who are on Israel border believe that. Everything Israel does in strategic rather than genuine attempt for piece. Zionists whole argument of taking Palestinians land was that it's their ancestral land which used to encompass the West bank and Gaza not Egypt, Lebanon or syria. The whole point of making peace with those countries is to Isolate Palestine from the rest of the world.
The quote is very clear he said whole Palestine and where would Palestinian lives if Israel buy the rest of the land, your mental gymnastics isn't working.
The original partition suggested to give 55% for Jews when they only owned 8% of the land so I don't know why you believe it was unfair to zionists and why you think Arabs would should have accepted the partition plan and not counter zionists colonial intent. There was even some Arabs leaders who suggest a one state solution.
Arabs losing didn't stop Israel for displacing Palestinians and destroying villages. Iqrith and Biram (1951). War is not an excuse to commit crimes like you are trying to do. Hamas atrocities happened in context of occupation that doesn't justify Hamas action.
Israel leaders admit that the 67 was not pre_emptive so I don't know why you don't want to admit that.
I don't know what is your motive, but your attempt to justify Israel actions isn't convincing anybody who want to know the truth.
I don't think you'll find any video capable of recording the past 100 years of oppression to give you the full context. I'm not sure that would even be enough for you to see the truth.
If you look at the first couple of seconds, it looks like the young fellow was fighting with an older guy in a light blue uniform who staggers off and that's when the IDF guys started beating on the young fellow. Obviously, there is some preceding conflict that the videographer either didn't record, or which didn't suit his propaganda narrative.
What propaganda we have ton of genocidal statements from Israelis and israelis soldiers recording their crimes. What IDF soldiers doing in Palestinians land anyway?