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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by sith@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

It is clear that the signal to noise ratio of the WWW is getting worse. It's much harder to find good content when using a good old search engine. And if it's good it is usually hosted on Reddit or Stackexchange.

So remember, even if it's easy too Google something (well, it isn't nowadays), we want to create a fediverse of good content that helps people (I hope). So, it's always better to write a real answer if you have the time and energy. Please help boost the SNR and reverse the AI fueled information degradation loop.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 15 hours ago

"Google It"

I google

finds 1 link

its a link to a fourm post with the same question

only 1 answer found

answer says "Google It"

🙃

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 34 points 1 day ago

Old Reddit threads where the answer giver deleted their account & all their comments.

[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 day ago

That's why when I left reddit I don't delete my posts (even if those posts suck)

Bonus:

a screenshot of deleted reddit comment with a reply thanking the parent commenter

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 20 points 1 day ago

I did, bc reddit locked up my content, and wanted to use it to train a LLM.

Let people ask again, here, in the fediverse.

[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago

(already had a feeling that someone will say this)

I won't delete my posts/comments because I want to be helpful, that's it.

But if I prefer deleting my posts/comments, I will archive it instead.

I respect what r/ArtFundamentals did, and it should be an example: After reddit's APIpocalypse, they don't support reddit and decided to close the subreddit. But the advices from the subreddit wasn't gone--in fact they actually archive it in their own website:

https://drawabox.com/r/artfundamentals/

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

“Check the documentation” should absolutely be a retort though.

One of my least favorite things about the fediverse (and especially Discord and Reddit) is members asking the same simple question hundreds of times because they didn’t bother to do a simple search and didn’t bother to check obvious documentation.

They didn’t know the documentation exists? OK, I will happily show you, and show you how to find it in general. Question only partially novel? Great, I will link an old answer and explain the rest… But I am kinda fed up with how “ephemeral” social media is, which is by design, as that repetitiveness increases engagement dramatically. Many forums should be structured more like a wiki, and its users should reflect that.

[-] sith@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

That kind of behavior can also be a sign that the documentation is hard to find or hard to comprehend. Or that something isn't documented at all, but the seniors imagine it is, because the answer is obvious to them.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

Me. This is me. I'm trying to figure out linux.

"How do I do.....something"

"Oh, that's easy! Just do this and this and this. Make sure you check that that and that."

"Ok.......now how do I do the things you just said?"

"Just do those things the right way."

"I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE TERMS MEAN, LET ALONE HOW TO DO THEM!!!"

"Ugh, this guy can't even follow simple directions. What part of that do you not understand???"

"Uhhhhhh......core concepts?"

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 19 hours ago

Good luck with Linux. Sorry you have to deal with people who don't know how to teach new users.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Rtfm and LMGTFY by themselves aren't useful. They're the equivalent of posting "me too".

If you think that the answer is in the manual and they haven't read it, post a link to the manual. Double helpful if you reference the section.

If you think the answer is on Google, I think we can assume everyone knows to try that first, so then no reply is needed. If it's a particularly tricky search to phrase, maybe help with a link with a searchable phrase in it.

But not replying is always a useful thing to do if you're not adding to the conversation.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Maybe they read the documentation and the documentation doesn't clearly answer their question.

You can always just ignore their question if you don't want to answer. Let someone else do it.

[-] jg1i@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Check the documentation can be pretty useless a lot of times. The docs aren't always great or they're huge and I have a specific question. Often times I do check them, but they're incomplete or unclear. Or the docs change or the links die.

Just answer the question anyway and then say where you found it.

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[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 40 points 1 day ago

Also, fuck Google. I've been removing the word from my lexicon. I say, let me search (or research) that instead

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

A "real answer" is rarely as credible as an article with quotes including time and place, as well as citing statistics and peer reviewed studies. In fact, I'd wager the amount of misinformation on Lemmy is a very high ratio. People are even writing entire fanfictions about current events to fit their narrative.

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

When I ask someone for clarification via their expertise, I usually reflexively indicate that I cannot trust google because of the incursion of AI slop, and even if it shows THEM accurate results, it is no guarantee that it will show ME those same results.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 21 hours ago

I agree even though I will sarcastically answer things with how easy it was to find, but I still give the information. I ask questions about things I could google myself, but I am not looking for just and answer. oftentimes Im looking for a nuanced answer and hope to find someone with knowledge around the subject that can give me a human take. not that I need a human take to know whats human because im so human myself and all. its not alien at all to me and hey who said anything about aliens. heh. heh.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Yes please don't do this. Google doesn't need more support either from search activity or inclusion into the vernacular. If someone is asking in the fediverse which is still a relatively small community, they are expressing a degree of patience with their answer that suggests they've already tried search and came up dissapointed or they are really lacidasical about their question and won't really mind if you just ignore it and move on. Taking the time to tell someone to websearch something is even more pathetic than a "this" reply.

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