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It is clear that the signal to noise ratio of the WWW is getting worse. It's much harder to find good content when using a good old search engine. And if it's good it is usually hosted on Reddit or Stackexchange.

So remember, even if it's easy too Google something (well, it isn't nowadays), we want to create a fediverse of good content that helps people (I hope). So, it's always better to write a real answer if you have the time and energy. Please help boost the SNR and reverse the AI fueled information degradation loop.

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[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 2 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

I feel like it’s 2000 all over again on the Internet. The bloat has made pages borderline unusable, and using AdBlock or NoScript reverts any so-called "design progress" back to the good old HTML days.

Google is only semi-useful now, while pages like DuckDuckGo are starting to deliver results reminiscent of the old Yahoo or Lycos days.

It feels like my trusty, old-school Internet skills are helping me navigate this mess. The reemergence of usenet / groups feels inevitable.

[-] wicked_observer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

I never say it like that. But I’ll tell people I found it by searching it. People really need to learn how to search first.

[-] Mio@feddit.nu 0 points 27 minutes ago

Search for it on the Internet

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 1 hour ago

Never say just, and if you bother answering be proper about it

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago

Noooooo don't "Just Google it" try, "Use a Search Engine" Dont't make Google an integral part of internet

[-] brian@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago

on one hand I agree. on the other, google has historically been afraid of the verb to google becoming generic, so of course I'd like to see that happen.

I think the middle ground is say google it, but make it clear you mean google it on an alternative search engine

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago
[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 34 points 15 hours ago

I'm starting to give up on Google. I've literally copy and pasted the same error message in Google, DuckDuckGo, and Kagl.

Google will respond with "no results found" while the others will actually give me a response.

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 1 hour ago

Test kagi too

[-] Laser@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

How do the results from ddg match the query? It doesn't look particularly helpful to me, and if not, why would I prefer to wade through a number of results that are ultimately unhelpful?

If there are no matches, I want to be told.

[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 1 points 29 minutes ago

Even if the results aren't exactly what I'm looking for, getting something even tangentially related can be helpful in finding the ultimate solution.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, I ditched Google as my default search engine a while ago. It's next to useless and they're a horrible company.

[-] 2001aCentenaryofFederation@fedia.io 17 points 15 hours ago

okay so it's not just me then! I've been seeing that zero matches page more and more. It used to be the other way around, if I couldnt find something on DDG or startpage it would be on google. how did they fuck up their indexing so badly

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 20 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I think zero matches means "we weren't able to find any suitable ads so we don't give a fuck about you"

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

Still ... they should at least get more creative and give you links like "Error 404 Root Beer" ... or "Error 404 hot women in your area"

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

Google knows me too well.

My kids now get Infoblox commercials in the middle of their Minecraft YouTube videos.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 55 points 17 hours ago

"just Google it" has always been a shitty reply. People are asking for your opinion because they want opinions from people, not some nameless site/author/whatever. Even if you're just regurgitating information, it's coming from a PERSON not a random article. Never mind the reliability of the source. Heavens forbid that we social creatures social about a thing for a bit.

[-] sad_detective_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 16 hours ago

"I'm not responsible for educating you"

cool, then stfu and let somebody else or nut up and do the work if you want it done right

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[-] isaaclw@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I have conversations with my spouse sometimes where I am asking for information, and she reads me the article.

I can read it myself! What did you find interesting?

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[-] jg1i@lemmy.world 111 points 21 hours ago

Not sure if everyone knows this, but: if you don't want to answer the question—you don't have to post a reply! Crazy idea, I know.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

what if i want to answer the question but i have none of the relevant knowledge and also don’t really understand the question itself?

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

Just Google it.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 12 hours ago
[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 48 points 20 hours ago

The amount of times I've googled a problem, and the first result is a forum post of someone just being told to google it then locking the thread is way too high.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

These ones plus "this is a duplicate of <link to question that is only kinda related and doesn't address the specific problem being asked in the newer question>".

Fuck busy body moderators. The people you "have power" over can see how stupid and incompetent you are and being able to shut down forum conversations about it doesn't hide it, it just means people know not to bother saying it where you're looking.

[-] ChamelAjvalel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I have started getting pissed at people who snap at someone "Don't necro this post" (Or any of the numerous other things they say), on information that is well outdated that could fucking seriously use an updated answer.

End rant...I'd prefer not, though...I want to keep this rant going.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 87 points 22 hours ago

So many times I google something obscure, the top result is the same question asked on some forum with a single reply, "just google it"

[-] pezhore@infosec.pub 53 points 22 hours ago

The only thing worse than someone saying just Google it is an op replying to their own post saying, never mind fixed it! (Without actually saying the solution).

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[-] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 198 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As a software engineer...

Don't just say "just Google it". Guide them to the documentation. Ask them about the detail of the question. If it's an bug, try asking them if they can reproduce the bug.


This reminded me of the time I'm looking for how to do certain things in a software. I found a reddit post asking about the same issue and this is the reply OP got:

screenshot of a reddit thread where OP got a rude reply to search it themselves

Here is the link: https://old.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/mupjsf/how_to_showhide_i3status_bar_taskbar/

Imagine. You search the issue you have. Found the ONLY reddit thread that talks about this, and the ONLY thread that talks about the issue have NO USEFUL ANSWER and, worse, the only reply is TELLING YOU TO SEARCH IT YOURSELF. This got upvoted too 😭😭😭.

Luckily, I found the solution (tbh the solution was there in the docs, but the wording wasn't clear and it makes it hard to search) and I end up replying the OP the actual answer.

So, this is a PSA for the fediverse: be nice. It's free.

While we're still young, we have a chance to become a better forum.

Also possibly an unpopular opinion: you shouldn't downvote a question, even if it was asked multiple times. Guide them to the answer instead

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