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Its almost like the parent chose to do this to their own kid, for whatever reason, though.

In a monotheistic religion (one god), that seems nonsensical.

Judaism didn't start as monotheistic, though. It started with the idea that Yahweh is the best god, and the only god for Israelites to worship.

Basically, forced tribalism, really.

Didn’t y’all flee Europe because of religious oppression?

They fled (Puritans) because England didn't allow them to wantonly murder people for not being pure enough.

Oh, it's not completely useless. If you need something that makes gibberish that sounds real for ad copy, I'm sure its fine for that.

And, while it may save me, a higher level person some time to produce a document... the cost for the production (Due to the electricity required, and other compute resources, which require all their own people to maintain) outstrips the time saved, when I could have handed the job to a level 1 support person, since I still need to review it and correct it for accuracy.

providing me with quick, straightforward recipes based on what I have at hand,

Ah yes, the wonderful recipes AI generates. Like Pizza made with glue!

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-ai-glue-pizza-i-tried-it-2024-5

You know what else generates quick, straightfoward recipes based on what I have on hand?

My brain. I open fridge, and freezer, and then decide what to make. Usually takes less than a minute to figure something out.

Documentation is easier. Tools for PDF, Markdown have increased in efficacy. Coding alone has lowered the barrier to bringing building blocks and some understanding to the masses.

I have seen none of these, in practice.

The documentation generated is no better than what a level 1 support rep creates, and needs to be heavily fixed before being relied on.

Pandoc still produces PDFs, Markdown, etc just as quickly as it always has.

The code produced still has the same issues as documentation: it's shite, and not easily bug fixed due to a lack of understanding by anyone with what its actually doing. And, if you need someone who understand the code already to bugfix it, guess what? You didn't save anyone anything.

And, all of this, only using terrawatts more electricity than before, with equivalent or worse outcomes.

As expected. Wait until they have to pay copyright royalties for the content they stole to train.

LLM might be worse than those but Perplexity is certainly a lesser player in the field.

Its a good thing I don't just block Perplexity, but all of the LLMs.

And I wont comment on the rest of this, but lets consider another form of property: Real estate.

You own a plot of land. Should others be able to use it, however they feel, whenever they feel like? Or should you have a say in how it gets used?

If you feel like you should have exclusive say in how real estate you own is used and when and by whom, why is intellectual property any different? There must be value in using it, so what's wrong with revenues generated by that use being shared (At least) with the creator?

Last I checked, I'm not seeing rev shares from any of these LLMs that have certainly used my code and other content to train?

Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions.

Then you don't believe content creators should have any control over their own works?

The "proper conditions" are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers.

Doing a GET request doesn’t do that.

Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt.

What kind of problems that would be?

Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way?

Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users?

You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”.

Not at all. LLMs are not users.

It’s self-hosted and free.

If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product.

How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at a@b.com”

That's a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it.

That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same.

Perplexity seems to be troubled by it.

What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths.

If selling text can't work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it?

Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process.

LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it's worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don't need to access it. Periodt.

The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.

Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

You mean, by supplying actual examples of when it was tried, and when it worked?

Somehow, I don’t think you’ll figure that out… Not today, maybe, but in the future, hopefully.

Someday, you'll figure out that capitalism is basically just "Might equals right". Not today, by in the future, maybe. I don't hold out much hope, though.

And I'll downvote ya again, if I could :)

FWIW, I don't owe you a reply :)

On Reddit, I was doing that, but every few months. At most, a year, before the username got canned.