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It’s Horrific and Unjust Every Time (lemmy.world)

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[-] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 52 points 6 days ago

ACAB. All those people saying “one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch” would feel Differently if someone made them an apple pie and one or two of the apples used were either completely rotten and moldy or one had been contaminated with industrial or radioactive waste or poisoned. Knowing that the majority of the apples were good apples and the existence of one or two bad apples mixed in shouldn't ruin the pie itself im pretty certain those arguing this aphorism would refuse to eat a poisoned or tainted pie despite trying to force the rest of society to bend the knee to the rotting pie of modern policing

[-] eccentric@lemm.ee 30 points 6 days ago

[-] Tja@programming.dev 22 points 6 days ago

The saying is exactly the opposite, one bad apple spolis the whole bunch. But in a time when you have alternative facts, why not alternative sayings.

[-] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

You're right! But so many times i hear the wrong phrasing used to protect the institution of modern policing. Language matters. Which is why I believe “defund the police” was chosen after the george floyd and brianna taylor(and all the other mostly brown casualties of police brutality) inspired protests. It was chosen because it was destined to fail even though the police do need to be defunded and demilitarized however the proper language should have focused around ending drug prohibition which is the main factor allowing racist attitudes to continue permeating police culture and a majority of police tax payer funding goes to the enforcement of draconian drug laws that have blatantly failed their stated purpose. (Althiugh I personally believe the stated purpose of drug prohibition was never the true purpose and the true purpose was actually to increase the black market price of narcotics and funnel poor and mostly minority people into for-profit prisons despite the fact that affluent wealthy white people are the largest consuming and distributing demographic of narcotics.

Either way you are correct. one bad apple does indeed spoil the entire bunch and there are far more than one bad apple within all the collective bunches we have that comprise our modern militarized policing apparatus

[-] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Yes the real meaning is that a few bad apples WILL spoil the whole barrel if they don't get removed. I don't know where the other meaning came from but if you leave rotting apples with good apples then they will all go rotten quite quickly.

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago

Dirty cops should be added to the list

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

All cops are class traitors

[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago

The deny defend depose list?

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 12 points 6 days ago

The Mario Party invitations

[-] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

They're getting sent to Luigi's Mansion.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago

No need to specifically dirty, all cops are pigs

[-] peto@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

I've got a little list - I've got a little list

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was a member of the ruling class that had been run down by this bandit.

[-] bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago

So how do you refuse breathalyzer and just "get away with it"?

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 43 points 6 days ago

You have to be in a police union first.

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com -2 points 6 days ago

Everyone can refuse breathalyzer. Everyone should actually, because it will take longer to get to the station. This guy is a POS but if anyone didn't know, now you do

[-] FelixMortane@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Doesn't work everywhere. In Canada refusing the breathalyze test carries the same potential charge and failing the breathalyzer test. I know, I already agree with the "what the f*** kind of law is that", but this is how things are.

DUI's are a play-to-play win (paying enough for a good lawyer) or you need to be apart of an exclusive club, otherwise bend over.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago

Everyone should actually

Everyone driving drunk should. But, you know, you should maybe also not drive drunk

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

You're assuming that police only accuse drunk drivers of driving drunk.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They can accuse you without a breathalyzer test as well and they can fake blood tests just as well as a breathalyzer test. If you assume the police are just gonna plant evidence, refusing a breathalyzer test will do nothing.

CaptnNMorgan clearly stated, that they recommend taking the test at the station because of the time to get there, indicating that it's about degradation of the blood alcohol level. They're clearly showing that it's not about innocent people being wrongfully accused. I know ACAB, yadda yadda, that doesn't mean everyone accused by the police is a saint. Some people are just assholes and anyone driving drunk should get the book thrown at them. Including of course off-duty cops.

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 0 points 5 days ago

Nobody should drive drunk, but everyone has a different tolerance. Someone can blow a high number and not even feel buzzed, if their tolerance is high. I'm not talking to bad people who don't care about other lives, I'm talking to people who would otherwise be taken advantage of by the police and their obtuse laws.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Dude, you're literally defending drunk driving. Please educate yourself on the effect of alcohol on decision making and reaction speed. Just because someone thinks they're not impaired doesn't mean it's true and how they feel doesn't play any role in it whatsoever

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Bro, there is a difference between being drunk and not realizing it, and being sober while blowing a high number.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

If you're blowing a high number you're literally not sober, wtf?

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

"I drive better after a couple drinks, it loosens me up but I'm not even buzzed."

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 0 points 4 days ago

You are wrong. Someone with a high tolerance won't be drunk, but they'll have the same amount of alcohol in their blood as someone who is wasted and has a low tolerance.

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You should not drive at a fairly low blood alcohol level either. Reaction time and decision making abilities are limited even if you don't feel anything consciously. Although, I get the feeling that you're not capable of making good decisions while being sober either, so maybe for you it doesn't make a difference.

[-] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 0 points 4 days ago

You don't have clue.

[-] copd@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

In UK you get a charge of failure to provide and it worsens when you refuse again at the station.

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 12 points 6 days ago

He'll be back drunk driving in no time...

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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

All this is a path to a police state.

In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

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