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Here is a 5-lines comment I usually use on Reddit when people ask about Lemmy or a Reddit alternative


"
Lemmy has 47k monthly active users

Feel free if you have any questions
"


A few questions that get asked quite often about this comment.

Why no explain what federation is?

Most of the users don't care about federation. They want a jump-in Reddit replacement, and it's usually better to keep the message short and simple.

There are users on Sync or Voyager who only use their app, and don't even know what instance they are on. And they are doing okay, they can still use the platform, see content, vote, comment, post.

People who want to understand more will figure it out later. No need to overwhelm them.

Why those two instances?

Long story short, there is no ideal generalist instance. If you open the top 20 instances (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/)

  • Lemmy.world is too big
  • Lemm.ee is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad, something that is not very welcoming to new users (see this thread: https://sh.itjust.works/post/28798607/15305964 )
  • sh.itjust.works names contains "shit", which can deter users
  • lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric
  • feddit.org, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too
  • dbzer0 federates hexbear
  • programming.dev is topic-centric
  • blahaj is queer-focused
  • discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name
  • lemmy.sdf.org does not defederate anyone
  • lemmy.zip is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad
  • beehaw is way outdated
  • infosec.pub is topic-centric
  • aussie.zone is country-centric
  • midwest.social is region-centric and admin can power trip at times (https://sopuli.xyz/post/20038037)

That's how I came up with sopuli.xyz (neutral name, stable, defederated grad and hexbear) and discuss.online (same).

Mentioning one per continent allows users to make one choice, so that we avoid the Lemmy.world situation where users realize that the server follows European laws (remember the announcement following Luigi: https://lemmy.world/post/22920690 )

I also have no way to know what the person I'm replying to is interested in. Of course if you are commenting on a specific subreddit, feel free to adapt the message for a fitting instance.

Why Voyager?

Same logic, people want one app. Voyager is feature rich and is available on both Android and iOS, and follow the Apollo design that a lot of people might be familiar with.

If people want to change, they will later https://www.lemmyapps.com/

That's it for now, see you in the comments for any feedback!

Why not use join-lemmy.org?

This website can be hit or miss, with some very negative experience recently: https://lemmy.world/post/24220536

I prefer to just point out to two instances that I know are stable and reliable.

Why not Discord?

Discord is a poor replacement for Reddit. Here are 4 reasons why:

  • Format: Discord’s main strength is chat-style messages, not forum-style discussion threads, like Reddit and Lemmy. Discord groups with more than a few dozen active users can quickly become disorganized.
  • Barrier to entry: Content on Discord is inaccessible unless you have a Discord account, while almost all content on Reddit and Lemmy is available without registration.
  • Discoverability: Google (and other search engines) index Reddit and Lemmy, and relevant threads show up in searches. Discord content cannot be indexed, and won’t show up in searches.
  • Censorship: A Discord community is ultimately still controlled by a single Big Tech company, which can delete your community on a whim if they so choose. Lemmy, being a distributed social network, is inherently resistant to censorship.
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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hello everyone,

This sub seems to get some traction in the last few days, which seems like a good opportunity to present Lemmy, an open-source alternative to Reddit.

What is Lemmy in one sentence?

Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, you can visit https://phtn.app/ to have a look at the content, and install an app using https://vger.app/settings/install.

The more detailed explanation

That was the very easy version. No need to understand federation, servers, or any technical jargon.

But as we are European, the servers question should be quite familiar to us. Lemmy works like email: you use a provider to get access to the service, providers are operated by different people, but still allow everyone to use the same service. Think about email providers like mailbox.org, posteo, Soverin, Tuta mail, Infomaniak, Mailo etc.

Servers as analogy to countries

Lemmy works the same. You access the same content but via different servers. Most of the servers on Lemmy are operated by European volunteers, sometimes in a non-profit.

A list of links, with most active users first

Can all servers access the same content? Yes! See for instance, the Europe community hosted on feddit.org: europe@feddit.org:

So, should you join the server of you country?

You don't have to, as all the content is available from every server. However, there is an added value to use a server you share a language or country feed: the Local feed. This is a feed that shows you communities hosted on that server. Compare for instance

The Local feeds are different, and are in different languages.

What are the strengths of such system compared to a centralized site like Reddit?

  • Nobody can own the entire platform. If a server admin goes power tripping, people will switch servers, move the communities elsewhere, and leave that server. Same if a mod goes power tripping. It's billionnaire proof.
  • Everyone can start their own server and join the network. Admins are people you can relate to, they are not an American CEO only aiming to extract profits from you.
  • As the platform is open source, a lot of mobile apps and interfaces are being developed (more on that later).
  • Lemmy is not the only technology working on that platform, other project like Mbin or Piefed work too: https://fedia.io/m/europe@feddit.org and https://piefed.social/c/europe@feddit.org

Experiences of new joiners

A few people have been trying out Lemmy after seeing it mentioned in the "Buy European" flyer that has been posted around, you can see their experience here: https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1j0cl2u/ive_actually_moved_to_lemmy_reddit_alternative/

Frequently asked questions

Let's end with a few frequently asked questions

I heard that Lemmy developers have extremist political views, isn't that a risk?

As Lemmy is federated using an open protocol, there are other options to connect to the communities without using Lemmy itself.

The first one is Piefed: https://piefed.social/c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

The other one is Mbin: https://fedia.io/m/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

However, those are stil a bit less mature than Lemmy, so for instance if you want to use mobile apps a lot, Lemmy is still a better choice.

On top of that, every Lemmy server is managed by different people. You can see regular criticism of lemmy.ml (the server managed by the Lemmy devs) on threads such as this: https://lemm.ee/post/33872586 or even dedicated communities like https://lemm.ee/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

That shows that even the Lemmy devs are not protected from criticism.

What if my server goes down?

This is always a risk. The usual recommendation is to go for a server that is managed by a few admins (feddit.org went the extra mile and is managed by a non profit: https://fediverse.foundation/) and have contact information and status pages in their sidebars (example for lemm.ee: https://status.lemm.ee/ and feddit.uk: https://stats.uptimerobot.com/XzEqqSB3Ay).

Most of the instances listed above have been around since July 2023 and the API fiasco. The cost to host an instance is quite low (can go as low as 0.03€ per user per month https://feddit.org/post/2600584) and admins may ask for small donations if needed.

Can I switch servers?

Lemmy has a built-in feature to export and import your subscriptions and block lists from the account settings. Switching to a new account takes a few minutes. You can keep the same username and avatar if you want people to recognize you from your previous account. As there is no karma system, you're not losing anything.

What interfaces and applications are available?

I've mentioned https://phtn.app/, which is also offered directly by some servers like https://p.feddit.org/ or https://p.feddit.uk/.

For people enjoying old.reddit, there is https://old.feddit.org/ , which can be used for every instance on https://o.opnxng.com/

Alexandrite is another one: https://alexandrite.app/

For mobile apps, there is an extensive list on https://www.lemmyapps.com/, including former Reddit clients like Sync and Boost, but also new ones like Voyager, Thunder, Summit, Arctic, Jerboa all actively developed.

There isn't enough content

That's a classic chicken-and-egg problem. Lemmy currently has 48k monthly active users , which is quite a lot compared to centralized alternatives like Discuit (less than 220 commenters ). Of course, with such a userbase, you can only sustain so many niche topics.

A good way to discover active communities is https://lemm.ee/c/communitypromo@lemmy.ca

Quite a few people on Lemmy use both Lemmy and Reddit at the same time. Lemmy because we believe in the platform, Reddit for the specific niche content.

Several communities have the same name, it's confusing, active communities are hard to find

Reddit has a similar issue: you have /r/games as the main gaming community, but there is also /r/Gaming, /r/videogames /r/gamers, etc.

How does someone know what the main community is, whatever the platform? Looking at the number of subscribers and active members.

There was the example of "patientgamers": if you search for that topic in the search bar, the most active one is definitely https://lemm.ee/c/patientgamers@sh.itjust.works with 1130 users per month.

The others have barely 63 monthly active users: https://lemm.ee/c/patientgamers@lemmy.ml , or 1 : https://lemm.ee/c/patientgamers@lemmy.world

To find active communities: https://lemm.ee/c/communitypromo@lemmy.ca There are regular threads with active communities on topic such as gardening, movies, board games, anime, science, etc.

There is too much political content

You can block entire servers and specific communities in your account settings.

Instances to block to avoid political content

Communities to block

With those blocked, you are avoiding 95% of the political content. There might be a few other communities that pop up, but blocking them is still one click away.

On top of that, some apps like Voyager allow you to block keywords directly in the client.

Feel free if you have any questions in the comment

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Lemmy has 47k monthly active users

It's time to update this number!

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would someone that wants an app be able to appreciate that link? As a prospective convert looking for an app to install, if I were to follow that link, I would probably interpret that as just some website for scrolling through Lemmy in a web browser. I wonder if it would be better to link to https://vger.app/settings/install instead, which directly offers the user the appropriate app store links.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Good point, updated

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sopuli is a solid choice as i have yet to encounter any real drama or problems.

I did notice however that images posted by others into the comments don't load because the file size is too big but i cant verify the actual cause for if.

I can post images in comments myself without issue and people can see those.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yes there's an issue with some pictures, should be fixed in the next release: https://sopuli.xyz/post/21149384

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Bravo - perfection! Detailed, but organized, and people can skip what they don't want yet it's there if they do.

One very minor potential improvement: make the instance names into clickable links, b/c some people may actually want those instances just purely b/c of what you say there. e.g. don't just say blahaj but https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/, for people who are looking for a queer-focused instance rather than a general-purpose one.

Also for Beehaw, I don't think their users care that it's using old software? I'm not 100% sure about this text but one thought could be something like... "http://beehaw.org/ uses very old software and is cut off from the largest Lemmy instances" (but is that perhaps too many words, losing the simplicity? perhaps then "http://beehaw.org/ is isolated" or even "http://beehaw.org/ is very zealous about moderation at the expense of more content" - which some people actually want?).

Here's a more major point of concern: at this time, given what we know about the instance admin practices, do you even want to mention midwest.social? Especially as something to click on if someone actually is in the midwestern USA and is considering joining it!

When you use "LW", new Fedizens aren't going to have any clue what you mean by that. Say "Lemmy.World" there or elsewhere introduce the acronym somewhere to be found via searching.

I definitely agree about join-lemmy.org - you could too easily end up on like hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml or lemmy.ml or something. I much prefer the approach of giving 2 quick options, with the rest of the options appearing in a list somewhere, even if you have to click to read the full list.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

make the instance names into clickable links, b/c some people may actually want those instances just purely b/c of what you say there. e.g. don’t just say blahaj but https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/, for people who are looking for a queer-focused instance rather than a general-purpose one.

Just to make it clear, everything the "frequently asked questions" is targeted at people here, on Lemmy. The comment I post is just the 5 lines between the quotes.

Beehaw

Older versions of the software don't allow people to remove their uploads: https://tech.michaelaltfield.net/2024/03/04/lemmy-fediverse-gdpr/ . That's the case for LW as well, actually

LW

Edited, good point

midwest.social

As stated above, the list is for people already on Lemmy, and was just looking at the top 20. I'll add a mention of the powertripping in this post however

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think this is still too much info for most people, we should simplify it even further

Something like " Join Decentralised social media like Lemmy (47k monthly active users)

I recommend using https://lemm.ee/ for web. If you want an app https://vger.app/settings/install

Feel free to ask if you have any questions "

I also think it's important using safe looking links sopuli.xyz looks dodgy, I once tried to recommend https://p.lemmy.world/ and people said GTFO this is some virus link.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're not afraid of people joining lemm.ee and immediately see their content from hexbear (once they'll be back) and lemmygrad in their All feed?

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's the default for the Voyer app, it's and it's UX is very smooth.

Picking a instance can also be quite overwhelming for a user, I know I was very confused by it and just ended up picking one of the big ones. I don't have a perfect solution to that, but I think we should provide some default instance choice.

Even if we randomly select one of the top 10 or something.

Ultimately being in the Fediverse you're going to see some weird stuff

[–] ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd go even further, cut the first line, make it something like:

Want somewhere else to discuss stuff? Check out https://lemm.ee/, and if you'd like an app, https://vger.app/settings/install. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Replace the links with whatever you think the person you're talking to may prefer and you're good. I don't think many people are concerned with the exact nature of it (decentralised) nor too much so with the number of active people, but you can include or omit whichever pieces of info to suit your audience.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Latency is better one side of the Atlantic or the other.

People have been reporting latency on LW from the US

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lovely guide Blaze! You’re very organized!

Can you add a section about concerns with privacy such as dms for example!

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's this warning when people want to send a DM, isn't that enough?

Warning: Private messages in Lemmy are not secure. Please create an account on Element.io for secure messaging.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Apparently not to the folks I was talking to :/

They also said they were worried about their deleted content remaining up on other instances.

But then they completely gloss over the fact that the default Reddit app collects way more data than the average Lemmy app.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I found a way to keep it super simple when referring people to Lemmy. One simple message

" Try out the Reddit alternative called Lemmy https://vger.app/

It also has a mobile app: https://vger.app/settings/install "

This way a user can just start scrolling, and if they want to comment etc. they will be asked to create a account with lemm.ee selected as a default.

This fixes most UX issues with getting onboarded

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is a great resource!

In addition to your excellent "Why Lemmy?" comment, would you consider including a version of our "Why not Discord?" comment?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Hey,

Thanks for the suggestion, edited!

[–] kernelle@0d.gs 2 points 3 weeks ago

First off, I like your post as a pretty good baseline. People aways ask "Why Lemmy?", because just saying it's a reddit alternative doesn't do it justice. You're trying to be careful with the word federated, which is smart, but it's its best selling point, especially for those fed up with reddit enough to consider an alternative.

I'll try my best an example paragraph:

Tap for spoiler#Why Lemmy?

The web was designed from the ground up to be decentralized and open to all. These values are what made the internet and are being spat on by companies trying to seize control over the content and its users.

Lemmy is the internets response to an ever increasing centralisation of social media. Where every regular social media is owned by a single entity, Lemmy has no owner and consists of hundreds of intertwined instances.

This concept also connects Lemmy with many other forms of social media which are collectively reffered to as the Fediverse.

Giving instance suggestions is great and explaining the top few is a good move as well. Maybe group them by region or interest based? I like to stay away from my own biases when recommending instances and some people want to be federated with everyone.

Also, explaining instances without explaining federation makes it look like Lemmy is a divided mess, while in reality its a true melting pot.