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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:

What would some good unifying demands be for a hostile takeover of the Democratic party by centrists/moderates?

As opposed to the spineless collaborators who run it now?

We should make acquiring ID documents free and incredibly easy and straightforward and then impose voter ID laws, paper ballots and ballot security improvements along with an expansion of polling places so everyone participates but we lay the 'was it a fair election' qs to rest.

Presuming that Republicans ever asked "was it a fair election?!" in good faith, like a true jabroni.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

i know that it's about conservative crackheadery re:allegations of election fraud, but it's lowkey unhinged that americans don't have national ID. i also know that republicans blocked it, because they don't want problems solved, they want to stay mad about them. in poland for example, it's a requirement to have ID, it's valid for 10 years and it's free of charge. passport costs $10 to get and it takes a month, sometimes less, from filing a form to getting one. there's also a govt service where you can get some things done remotely, including govt supplied digital signature that you can use to sign files and is legally equivalent to regular signature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUAP

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Yeah, the controversy over federal ID cards is completely bafflying to me as well, and I imagine like many things in the US it's some sort of libertarian bugbear or something? But considering the President has now mandated that one's federal identity is fixed at birth by the angels, it turned out to be a blessing.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago (5 children)

from what i understand, lack of single national ID gives (part of?) legal justification for this bullshit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_caging that republicans use for voter suppression. idk details, american would have to weigh in

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

OK this is just my unresearched opinion as an American but I really don't know what I'm talking about so keep that in mind and treat it as vibes more than research. It's messy and I haven't learned about any of it since highschool (and my highschool left a lot of important parts out):

A bunch of uninformed rambling

US states aren't thought of as countries for good reason, but in the country's legal framework that kind of how they work -- just with a lot of work to make borders almost a non-issue, shared citizenship, shared economy, etc. This means that historically a lot of stuff that would be associated with a country (ID, driving permit, residency, military) either only happens at the state level; or happens at both the state and the federal level.

In the constitution the federal government is supposed to stick to it's lane as well: any powers which aren't explicitly given to the federal government are reserved for the states (10th amendment). Though in practice the federal government has a lot of powers.


That's the background and helps explain both the lack of a (compulsory) national ID and how there can be state level election shenanigans:

For national ID this was indeed a conservative bugbear. They were essentially worried about the government building a dossier on them or something. I don't remember the details it's been a long time: Conservatism 15 years ago was an entirely different beast than it is today. It's kind of hard to even imagine if the conservatives still have the same fears today, if the liberals don't, or how it would actually play out. Congress being deadlocked for so long means it's hard to get a vibe on how things would shake out if they started actually passing lots of laws again.

Oh yeah did I mention congress is deadlocked? This both means that the US is essentially operating on decades outdated laws, and that the legislature's infighting has lead to a power vacuum that the executive and judicial branch have slurped up (which helps explain the current Elon Musk mess)

Anyway election shenanigans: States were historically supposed to be, well, states as in closely aligned countries and this was all set up in the days before fast and easy long distance travel and communication (did I mention America is really big?). This means that each state runs it's own election (which it can do in any legal way it pleases). The outcome of the election is one or more electors, and those electors are who actually send in their choice for president. There have been cases of "faithless electors" who vote for someone besides the party they represent. Oddly this hasn't really been seen as a big deal (since the parties choose the electors they tend to be pretty loyal).

The point of the previous paragraph is this is a mess. Like a real mess. It's law that made some sense 200 years ago (and maybe not even, they were kinda #yolo-ing the constitution at the time) but is really dated. This means there's lots of room for shenanigans. Can a state legally disqualify voters? Maybe? Sometimes? Kinda? They're not supposed to be like racist or anything, but determining that depends on a lot of details and shifting supreme court rulings.

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[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean, a single national ID card would be one way of preventing this so long as there was a trustworthy way of ensuring that it was updated with everybody's actual address and the like. I don't know that we would implement it in such a way as to have that, leading ultimately to another target for this kind of activity rather than a shield from it.

Nightmare scenario with the current administration would be such a thing being tied to citizenship somehow. Mail comes back undelivered and suddenly you have to dig out your birth certificate and explain things to some shitheel from ICE?

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[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

National ID wouldn't change that unless voter local registration and change-of-address updates were all rigidly and securely integrated.

So long as voter registration is a locally-managed list of names and addresses it's possible to go in and arbitrarily declare some of the registrations void.

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[–] maol@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

unifying demands

hostile takeover

Pick one, you can't have both.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago

What would some good unifying demands be for a hostile takeover of the Democratic party by centrists/moderates?

me, taking this at face value, and understanding the political stances of the democrats, and going by my definition of centrist/moderate that is more correct than whatever the hell Kelsey Piper thinks it means: Oh, this would actually push the democrats left.

Anyway, jesus christ I regret clicking on that name and reading. How the fuck is anyone this stupid. Vox needs to be burned down.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

Presuming that Republicans ever asked “was it a fair election?!” in good faith, like a true jabroni.

Imagine saying this after the birther movement remained when the birth certificate was shown. "Just admit you didnt fuck pigs, and this pigfucking will be gone".

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

those opinions should come with a whiplash warning, fucking hell

can’t wait to once again hear that someone is sure we’re “just overreacting” and that ~~star of david~~ ~~passbooks~~ voter ID laws will be totes fine. I’m sure it’ll be a really lovely conversation with a perfectly sensible and caring human. :|

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

I saw that yesterday. I was tempted to post it here but instead I've been trying very hard not to think of this eldritch fractal of wrongness. It's too much, man.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

This isn't even skating towards where the puck is, it's skating in a fucking swimming pool.

[–] jax@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Quality sneers in these (one, two) response posts. The original posts that these are critiquing are very silly and not worth your time, but the criticism here addresses many of the typical AI hype talking points.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 5 points 5 days ago

That means that the harm done by these systems compound the more widely they are used as errors pile up at every stage of work, in every sector of the economy. It builds up an ambient radiation of system variability and errors that magnifies every other systemic issue with the modern state and economy.

Wanted to shout these two sentences out in particular. Best summary of my biggest current fears regarding use of "ai"/llm/transformer(?)-based systems.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

TIL musk has a nobel peace prize nomination for this year

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

@swlabr @techtakes Anybody can nominate: the true sign that the simulation has been handed over to drunken frat boys will be if he *wins*.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 days ago

but would it beat peace nobel prize for kissinger?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

I thought it might be that kind of deal. I learned of this when I saw a pair of op-eds, one saying a W is deserved and the other saying the nom was insane.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

ran into this earlier (via techmeme, I think?), and I just want to vent

“The biggest challenge the industry is facing is actually talent shortage. There is a gap. There is an aging workforce, where all of the experts are going to retire in the next five or six years. At the same time, the next generation is not coming in, because no one wants to work in manufacturing.”

"whole industries have fucked up on actually training people for a run going on decades, but no the magic sparkles will solve the problem!!!11~"

But when these new people do enter the space, he added, they will know less than the generation that came before, because they will be more interchangeable and responsible for more (due to there being fewer of them).

I forget where I read/saw it, but sometime in the last year I encountered someone talking about "the collapse of ..." wrt things like "travel agent", which is a thing that's mostly disappeared (on account of various kinds of services enabling previously-impossible things, e.g. direct flights search, etc etc) but not been fully replaced. so now instead of popping a travel agent a loose set of plans and wants then getting back options, everyone just has to carry that burden themselves, badly

and that last paragraph reminds me of exactly that nonsense. and the weird "oh don't worry, skilled repair engineers can readily multiclass" collapse equivalence really, really, really grates

sometimes I think these motherfuckers should be made to use only machines maintained under their bullshit processes, etc. after a very small handful of years they'll come around. but as it stands now it'll probably be a very "for me not for thee" setup

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