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Common Ground (lemy.lol)

submitted 1 month ago by PapaSkwat@lemy.lol to c/conservative@lemm.ee

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We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

We don't do that with self-delusion and deflecting blame though.

The blame doesn't rest solely on conservatives for this current situation, sure. Some of it falls on the huge number of people who "protest voted". Some of it rests on the Democratic party for pretending to be the party of the people, but really just being a milquetoast center-right corporatist party that serves the same masters as the Republican party.

For any of us to "come together" and "agree about what we are to do from here," for any one group to trust the other, we all have to come to terms with and accept our share of the blame. Deflecting blame or deluding ourselves with rhetoric like "we didn't do anything wrong, we were just lied to" is unproductive. No side will trust the other as long as anyone is still making excuses for themselves.

Be adults, look inward instead of projecting blame, accept responsibility for your actions, and then maybe we can come together to fight against fascism.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Baby steps

[–] wulrus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate any attempt to win these people back. I mean, there's nothing to lose. But they were not lied to. Trump was honest about the big picture and it's exactly what they wanted.

These people are lost for democracy and for reason. To stupidity or to plain evil.

Just look how even people like Dick Cheyney saw this coming and tried everything to stop what's happening now.

[–] SamboT@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He didnt lie about what his plans of action were, but he was telling everybody immigrants and foreign aid are the source of our problems. (Redunctionist i know)

So he did lie. And most people arent equipped for the disinformation age.

Its easy to say they should be smarter than that, but its also easy to say our administration shouldn't be fabricating reality to further their platform. Blaming the masses seems pretty pointless to me. We all want better for ourselves. Maybe some are more outwardly selfish or racist or whatever but when are we going to learn to not frame 50% of america as inherently evil? Whats the point of watering down our perception of others?

[–] wulrus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Don't Americans salute the flag and sing the national anthem every day at school, one of the main reasons being respect to the WW 1 & 2 veterans, who went through hell, and often died, to stop an ideology where some people have worth & dignity and others don't?

A very conservative Jewish German journalist, Friedman, held an insightful speech in a German state parliament recently, attacking the right wing party that Musk and Trump love so much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lizOiK1OHf8 (English auto subtitles are of very good quality.)

He is very conservative, been in the conservative party for decades (until they tried to pass an anti immigration law with the right a few weeks ago), strong supporter of Israel, but against Netanyahu's government. His parents were saved from the Holocaust by Schindler. But he understands the general pattern: Even though they don't directly attack Jewish people, at least not yet, they don't accept that everybody is somebody, as he puts it, and that's where it starts.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Good on you.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This doesn't work with cultists. Any reasonable republican bailed on the party with Trump.

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