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Western media before February of 2022 on Ukraine (Ukraine is full of Nazis), Western Media after February 2022 (Slava Ukraini!) (lemmy.ml)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: False info

Screenshots of Western media is false information… somehow.

BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
Washington Post, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
New York Times, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

[–] echo@lemmings.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

All the proof you need that they're not nazi is that Trump doesn't support them...

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trump doesn't support them because he got his ego bruised when they wouldn't give him dirt on Biden and his "perfect phone call" got leaked to the press. Before this phone call, Trump did support them, which is why he even had aid to withhold as an extortion mechanism. Also, Trump wants Putin to be his buddy. Also, this is the same deal Biden put up months ago (with Ukraine having lost ground in the war since then), Trump is just far less cordial about it.

The US is always two-faced about its foreign policy, which is to pretend to be an ally for as long as it takes to get smaller nations into predatory deals at their weakest and forcing them to give up the very resources they would need to pay us back. This is what it looks like to be a vassal state for the US, which seems to be what Zelensky wanted from the jump if we look at the facts of the situation. As the saying goes; live by the sword, die by the sword.

Unfortunately the war has come far enough that to not accept this deal is to subject Ukranians to even more death and destruction at Russian hands. It's the only way out for Ukrainian sovereignty. Zelensky knows it. Trump knows it. Putin knows it.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Probably because white supremacy takes a back seat to full scale invasion and genocide

The existence of white supremacy and Nazism is only acceptable grounds for invading another country to Russia who coincidentally have way more Nazis and white supremacists than Ukraine does

...or did anyways. Pretty sure the ranks of Russian Nazis has since been greatly reduced by Ukraine's military

[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can both recognise that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not justified and that Ukraine has a neonazi problem (partly caused by the US who funded neo nazi groups in the Soviet Union to resist the evil commies). Western media is whitewashing actual neo nazi militias in Ukraine. That’s a seriously dangerous precedent, especially as neo nazis are gaining a lot of ground in the West.

[+] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world -6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Every country has a neo Nazi problem if they have a nonzero number of them

As far as I feel when Russia specifically is concerned, Patton was right.

#PATTON WAS RIGHT

[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There’s different levels if neo nazi problems and Ukraine has a huge one. Even if you think the nazi’s are fighting the ‘good side’ in this war, they will use the opportunity to be racist and victimise minority groups. The US providing weapons to openly neo nazi Azov battalion really did not get the scrutiny it deserves.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Azov Regiment has been a recurring theme of Russian propaganda

[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is ‘propaganda’ another word for facts you don’t like? All my information on Azov battalion comes from Western sources. As I said, they’re openly neo nazi’s.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What a farce

Azov was depoliticized when the militia group was absorbed into the national guard.

Compared to the full scale invasion and the threat of Russian genocide, dealing with the minority of Ukranian neo Nazis that do not represent the whole of Ukrainian people is waaaay down the list of priorities

People are so incredibly suspect when they think neo Nazis in Azov is a more pressing matter than the horrors of Bucha, also well documented by western sources

[–] Heyting@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

‘Depoloticized’ means prosecuting the nazi’s right? Or does it just mean that the nazi’s are still there, still wear their nazi symbols on their uniforms but are just a little bit more silent about it? Again, think of the consequences of openly nazi’s fighting in a war and what it means for the minority groups who live there.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Same as it is in the US

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Ukraine was the one doing genocide of ethnic Russians done by far right Nazis with government political power. The territories with majority ethnic Russians decided to join Russia because of this.

“Russian Nazis” that is ludicrous lmao. Nazis hate Russians. The Soviet Union was the one that destroyed the Nazis and the Nazis have always hated them ever since. Nazis are an existential threat to Russia and they know it, so they are trying to annihilate them. Right wing groups were the ones who caused the coup that put out of power the elected pro-Russian president. And Zelensky literally destroyed all left wing parties.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not like there are no fascists in Russia. There’s Aleksandr Dugin (who people keep absurdly claiming is Putin’s right-hand man), and there was Western liberal darling Alexei Navalny.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's also dudes like those. A lot of Russian neonazis fight for Ukraine in this war.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

GTFO, no one believes your BS

[–] UnhingedStopa@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And then I get downvoted for saying this instance is full of propaganda.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

“Facts that I don’t like are propaganda” - You