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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Sounds like another way of saying "there actually isn't a profitable business in this."

But since we live in crazy world, once he gets his exemption to copyright laws for AI, someone needs to come up with a good self hosted AI toolset that makes it legal for the average person to pirate stuff at scale as well.

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[–] graff@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If training an ai on copyrighted material is fair use, then piracy is archiving

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[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

God forbid you offer to PAY for access to works that people create like everyone else has to. University students have to pay out the nose for their books that they "train" on, why can't billion dollar AI companies?

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good, end this AI bullshit, it has little upsides and a metric fuckton of downsides for the common man

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is basically a veiled admission that OpenAI are falling behind in the very arms race they started. Good, fuck Altman. We need less ultra-corpo tech bro bullshit in prevailing technology.

[–] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago

If everyone can 'train' themselves on copyrighted works, then I say "fair game.''

Otherwise, get fucked.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

Sounds fair, shut it down.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if we had taken the billions of dollars invested in AI and invested that into public education instead?

Imagine the return on investment of the information being used to train actual humans who can reason and don’t lie 60% of the time instead of using it to train a computer that is useless more than it is useful.

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[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

No amigo, it's not fair if you're profiting from it in the long run.

[–] MrSilkworm@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm fine for them to use copyrighted material, provided that everyone can do the same without reprecautions Fuck double standards. Fuck IP. People should have access to knowledge without having to pay.

PS. I know this might be an unpopular opinion

Edit: typos

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I have conflicting feelings about this whole thing. If you are selling the result of training like OpenAI does (and every other company), then I feel like it’s absolutely and clearly not fair use. It’s just theft with extra steps.

On the other hand, what about open source projects and individuals who aren’t selling or competing with the owners of the training material? I feel like that would be fair use.

What keeps me up at night is if training is never fair use, then the natural result is that AI becomes monopolized by big companies with deep pockets who can pay for an infinite amount of random content licensing, and then we are all forever at their mercy for this entire branch of technology.

The practical, socioeconomic, and ethical considerations are really complex, but all I ever see discussed are these hard-line binary stances that would only have awful corporate-empowering consequences, either because they can steal content freely or because they are the only ones that will have the resources to control the technology.

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[–] kipo@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago
[–] chairsushi@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago

Then let it be over then.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So Deepmind is good to train on your models then right?

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago (7 children)

If AI gets to use copyrighted material for free and makes a profit off of the results, that means piracy is 1000% Legal. Excuse me while I go and download a car!!

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Come on bro, let us pirate bro, just one more ngram of books bro

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!

What is the charge, officer? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?

[–] Jericho_One@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago
[–] Ferroto@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Good. Fuck AI

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If your business model only works if you break the Law, that mean's you're just another Organised Crime group.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 1 month ago

But if you stop me from criming, how will I get better at crime!?!

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good riddance. This version of AI is just a glorified search engine anyways

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[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Technofascism on its way to legalize my 30TB trove of backups

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oops, oh well. I very much hope it's over, asshole.

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

If I'm using "AI" to generate subtitles for the "community" is ok if i have a large "datastore" of "licensable media" stored locally to work off of right?

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

I hope generative AI obliterates copyright. I hope that its destruction is so thorough that we either forget it ever existed or we talk about it in disgust as something that only existed in stupider times.

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[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Suddenly millions of people are downloading to "train their AI models".

[–] uis@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Vote pirate party.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 13 points 1 month ago (16 children)

How many pages has a human author read and written before they can produce something worth publishing? I’m pretty sure that’s not even a million pages. Why does an AI require a gazillion pages to learn, but the quality is still unimpressive? I think there’s something fundamentally wrong with the way we teach these models.

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[–] faberyayo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Fuck OpenAI for stealing the hard work of millions of people

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

"How am I supposed to make any money if I can't steal all of my products to sell back to the world that produced them?"

Yeah, fuck that. The whole industry deserves to die.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Okay.

It was fun while it lasted.

For someone.

I presume.

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