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Bet Elon he can't beat homelessness with 19 billions.
Bro will do it just to prove you wrong
Elon’s very familiar with the condition of homeless drug addicts.
The word Elon is a propaganda word it is a lie. It is actually Felon, which is a violent drug addict with mental illness.
So the mentally ill deserve to be left to rot in the streets? Why else have a social safety net, if not for them?
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To be fair, that is kinda nonsense. Germany and austria, for example have a lot of support networks for people in need, we even have entire networks dedicated to supporting homeless people, so nobody has to be homeless here - yet we do have a lot of them. For some people, homelessness is almost a choice more than an involuntary decision.
Obviously, idk how this would be in america, but I don't think it would be a lot different.
Says the homeless illegal.immigrant from a apartheid
Elon spouts BS all the time, but $20 billion to end homelessness is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.
You should have some sympathy for Musk, since apparently you also like to talk out of your ass without looking into it.
https://aah-inc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/whomeless.pdf
These numbers are extremely unsubstantiated. If you think giving someone $40k will permanently save them from homelessness I have a bridge to sell you.
Let’s see your study. What do you know that HUD experts don’t?
People also said you can’t solve homelessness by giving them homes, and Finland did it with ease.
For example, California spent over $24 billion over a period of five years and didn't even make a dent.
Homelessness is not a simple problem you can just throw money at. People will consistently fall through the societal cracks.
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If you can provide six months of housing, food and support then a person could start earning for themselves. You don't have to provide a lifetime of help for $40,000
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Alright I'll bite, even if Hairplug Himmler is right (and let's be perfectly clear, he's not).
Why wouldn't we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE "VIOLENT" and "on the street". Wouldn't we want to help them get off the streets?
Wouldn't that make us safer, happier, healthier, and dare I say... Great Again? Wouldn't that protect citizens and police officers alike at a lower cost than incarceration? (Spoiler alert it would, but there's no private for profit companies offering this service).
Wouldn't these people become tax payers? Employees contributing to society? Become future homebuyers and start a family?
These empathy lacking neo-fascist clowns can't stop punching down to those less fortunate (while claiming the lords name in vain) and I can't wait for the day we get the opportunity to match their empathy as they head to prison (preferably one in El Salvador).
If they are violent and on the streets won't that boost sales of vehicles with "rock proof" windows? like the one that muskrat is trying to sell?
Think of the economy, think of the consumer demand for items to defend themselves with.
Why wouldn’t we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?
It's kind of a two-part question, that.
- Do we want to spend the money to get fellow citizens off drugs and treat their mental illnesses?
That's a pretty easy question if you have a soul: Yes.
- If those fellow citizens refuse any and all help because they have a fundamental mistrust of the system. What do we do?
That's the more difficult question. Forcing them to get treatment breaches their human rights and only stokes further mistrust in the system. Leaving them just leaves them open to exploitation and doesn't make their lives better.
Homes are easy, it's all the support that comes with it that's difficult, especially if the person you're trying to help either refuses to engage or actively fights you every step of the way.
Absolutely, and thank you for your reply. Learning and expansion of ideas and thoughts only comes from good conversation and discourse. That's what makes this such a complex and difficult issue.
There is an inevitability of homelessness in a country is unavoidable, yes. Just like the inevitable need for criminal justice programs to detain, deter, and rehabilitate those who break the law.
No argument from me on the facts, there WILL be homelessness and crime in any society. (This is for my sunshine and rainbows friend up top also).
So let's figure out how much that SHOULD be:
https://www.greaterchange.co.uk/post/which-country-handles-homelessness-the-best
Finland currently has a homelessness rate of .06% (2023) of their population. So let's say that's the baseline when you give people a fair shot, benefits, and treat them with care, and the remaining of those people that won't take help when offered.
The United States has a rate THREE times that at .19% homelessness. Despite having a GDP output, 83 times as large as the US.
Since I went to public school, percentages make me woozy so let's put it in whole numbers.
636,500 fellow citizens are homeless in the US (.19%).
If we adopted Finland's (already proved 35+ year plan) we could get that down to 201,000 over time. Heck if it takes 35 years as well, at least we're helping them.
That's 435,500 fellow citizens (Or a city the size of Cincinnati) that are sleeping on the street tonight, so that ONE MAN Elon Musk can pay less taxes.
Fellow Americans, until we vote these billionaires out of office and tax them (oh I don't know, at least as much as you and I pay) we are either ignoring the issue or complicit and I for one don't want to be either.
TL;DR: This is just one example why we should lift up those below us, and not be pessimistic about our fellow man.
Most of our homeless want a fair shot, mental health counseling, and rehabilitation.
We need to advocate for them and help them just like if we were reading this sleeping on the street.
No arguments from me about giving them somewhere to live and the healthcare they need. If you have any kind of soul, that's the least you can do. In an ideal world, there should be enough service to cover 100% of the homeless population (plus some buffer to cover any sudden increase) whether they take it or not. The question I have is do you have the right to force them to take it?
That's a good and thoughtful question, with no easy answer.
My opinion is I don't believe you can force someone to receive help, but you can incentivise them through rehabilitation, job training, counseling and housing.
At the end of the day, we need to respect their rights and not infringe on them. If they don't want help, then they are part of the .06% that chooses homelessness.
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So those people you're talking about, Elon... They have homes? No? Then homelessness isn't a lie, you gigantic sack of human waste.
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
Psychology Today is another corpo shit hole that avoids paying taxes in the US. Article writers are verified in the loosest sense of the word. Please take psychology today with a grain of salt when used as a resource.
Ok.
its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing interpersonal damage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Better?
Also I'm not sure why I should care that psychology today does not pay taxes in your country when your country is putting tarrifs on every other country in the world.
Compulsive lying and Ketamine abuse are the only things Elon knows anything about.