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cross-posted from: https://hackertalks.com/post/8713785

The instances being used are

  • lemmy.doesnotexist.club
  • chinese.lol

Here is an example of the coordinated downvoting https://hackertalks.com/post/8692093

Of course its a controversial user who got someone angry enough to automated downvoting @DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today

But you can see every post they make gets 53ish downvotes from these two instances, plus some organic ones after a few hours.

Current downvoting Accounts

bot-list

LightIsland@chinese.lol MagnificentRow@chinese.lol FondKnowledge@chinese.lol SillyTowel95@chinese.lol HelplessDear@chinese.lol SomberBrain@chinese.lol InexperiencedCloset@chinese.lol NecessaryPerson11@chinese.lol ClosedEmployment@chinese.lol CoarseHair420@chinese.lol BurlyChampionship49@chinese.lol ZigzagNatural@chinese.lol QuestionableDirt@chinese.lol ProudDeparture@lemmy.doesnotexist.club JoyousDouble@chinese.lol UnitedPatience@chinese.lol MajesticArea@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SinfulConference@chinese.lol MoralDivide96@chinese.lol LeadingCarry65@chinese.lol FrillyOpinion38@lemmy.doesnotexist.club LimitedDiscount49@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ForkedScreen@chinese.lol MediumChemistry13@chinese.lol xXxLawfulGrassxXx@lemmy.doesnotexist.club VisibleSentence@chinese.lol AcidicLawyer90@lemmy.doesnotexist.club PriceySink14@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ExcellentBeach@chinese.lol VivaciousNews@lemmy.doesnotexist.club LankyIndependent32@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SpeedyFault@chinese.lol ConcreteHall89@lemmy.doesnotexist.club WorthyPoint12@lemmy.doesnotexist.club SurprisedAdult99@chinese.lol FlashyCrack@lemmy.doesnotexist.club MasculineBeing@chinese.lol RichWeird@lemmy.doesnotexist.club DryCash97@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AuthorizedChair@chinese.lol SlimKiss@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AromaticRoof78@lemmy.doesnotexist.club BewitchedInterview@lemmy.doesnotexist.club ImaginaryDraw@lemmy.doesnotexist.club PertinentGround@chinese.lol SinfulAssumption@lemmy.doesnotexist.club AwkwardAnybody30@lemmy.doesnotexist.club UnwillingRestaurant@lemmy.doesnotexist.club InsubstantialOven@lemmy.doesnotexist.club

A individual user airing their personal biases and manipulating lemmy isn't good for the community, regardless of how you feel about their target. This is a really bad thing (tm)

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

not lemmy.ml? shocked

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That user is pretty annoying tho, I'm pretty sure I've downvoted them organically a ton of times. Setting up your own instance to do it automatically is next level petty and definitely should be blocked.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

chinese.lol does seem to be a real instance from a quick glance, albeit one which is clearly being weaponized thanks to lax moderation.

lemmy.doesnotexist.club is weird, there are literally zero posts or comments in the Local tab, so it may specifically exist for this purpose.

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think lemmy.doesnotexist.club was once used to send me the fediverse chick spam

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh wow, I just checked my old messages and none of the actual nicole accounts come from that instance, but one of the images was hosted there. Definitely sketchy.

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

Oh, yes, maybe that is why I remembered this domain in connection with those messages

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, same.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why I love the fediverse. Each instance can decide what to do with this information and when. We don't need to wait for one single admin on their throne to make a decision for the entire ~~site~~ network. Reddit, insta, and others would have to ask their advertisers first if this is OK or not. Admins here can go "right, fuck off" and either band the bots or tell the instance admins to do something or be defederated.

It wouldn't surprise me if bot writers like this forced parts of the fediverse into a "who knows who" network where certain instances only allow federation if you're introduced by another trusted instance admin. And probably they'll add federated block-lists so when a user is blocked on one instance and tries to create multiple accounts with the same email on different servers, they are automatically blocked on those too.

The cat and mouse games are starting and it will force the fediverse to adapt. As much as I dislike these bot users, they are like bacteria, viruses, or vermin, and the body has to adapt to the intruders. It'll make it strong. Now it's downvoting bots, in the future, it could be Russian disinformation bots. I'm confident the fediverse will respond better than big tech.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ahead of its time :D

Edit: damn @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is everywhere

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just another "If I don't do it, nobody will" moment 😅

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are greatly appreciated. And thank you @rikudou@lemmings.world for creating the GUI.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 8 points 1 week ago

Thanks! As one wise man once said, "If I don't do it, nobody will!"

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Happen quite regularly, on a lot of different topics x)

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I almost support automated downvoting of Universalmonk's ban evasion alts.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Same, but it can be used against cool people as well.

[–] sunshine@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I see them hiding on VTC and Lemmy.vg

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i-think-that harrassing fascists out of your community when the admins won't do anything is good actually.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I agree, but It can be used against better people. They get downvoted organically anyway/

[–] giacomo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i thought the votes didnt matter on lemmy

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

So, you don't have a karma total, like reddit. Your individual posts/comments still can be downvoted, which limits their visibility.

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Karma doesn't matter, votes do since it allows boosting or limiting post reach, so vote manipulation for the purposes of stuff like astroturfing is still a concern unless we want to kill every sorting option besides New.