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this post was submitted on 14 Apr 2025
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Awesome! I was wondering about that. Nice to know. Thanks for sharing.
FOSS has no country lines though
Technically true, but there are still some implications of the location where a project is being developed out of, such as:
- Regulations
Some countries mandate things like backdoors, or try to compel employees to produce data on their users. Session was actually a victim of this, where a government employee showed up at a developer's home trying to see if they could get a backdoor built into Session. (Under the Assistance and Access Act, which allows them to compel any service provider to undermine encryption)
So they moved out of Australia.
- Fiscal support/sanctions
Users generally might want to know if their donations are going to a country that they aren't allowed to send money to because of sanctions, or they could also just have issues with funding that economy. For instance, I wouldn't blame someone for preferring to fund software not developed in the USA for the time being, because they don't want to do anything in any way to prop up the economy of America after what it's been doing to the world. I say this as an American myself.
- Not everything on AlternativeTo is FOSS, or always self-hosted
Many of the services there are not FOSS, and thus could be tied to corporations that have larger influence in markets (see my previous point about fiscal support to countries you don't want to support) or could be more likely to be compelled to release user data.
There's also the fact that many of these services can be paid for to have hosted, instead of you self-hosting them, even if they're FOSS, and people again might not want to support the economy of a given country, or might have concerns that the regulations there could open them up to a higher risk of being spied on, even by passive collection techniques.
The US already has massive surveillance infrastructure to passively collect data on network connections within the country, so some people might prefer to keep any hosted data outside of the US, for example.
This. The EU should just fork Silverblue. I'm using Bazzite and Aurora... What a wonderful distro family.
How's aurora for a beginner?
I'm currently using Linux Mint and I'm happy, but the limitations are starting to show their bare teeth. I am planning to buy a tuxedo laptop soon and I fear with the new hardware Linux Mint will be a hindrance with their outdated packages, so I'm considering a fedora-based distro.
Any info you'd like to share? I'm not a developer, just a regular user looking to use Linux as a daily driver.
Hey, normal user here too. I game a lot, and do graphic design, so I need the latest drivers but not too bleeding edge as Arch.
Every Universal Blue distro is freaking awesome. I run Bazzite on my main rig and Aurora on my work laptop, I wasn't allowed to install Aurora on the laptop's main drive because that would erase the Windows 11 kicense which the company owns, so I bought an M2 caddy and installed Aurora there. It runs better than Windows which is installed in the internal drive. It's easier to work than on Windows because you are able to not care about ANYTHING. There's no maintenance at all. Everytime you reboot it boots in the standard few seconds but it updates in the background, you don't notice. The system is unbreakable. I freaking love it. I have owned Windows PC's, Apple Macs, and this is by far the best experience I ever had with a PC.
My wife (who's more tech illiterate than average) and my 2 kids (4 and 6) both use my Aurora and Bazzite PCs, it's that easy.
Absolutely recommended.
Just be warned, these are not standard fedora distros, they are atomic and immutable, you can't mess with the system. You can only modify your user's home dir. So:
- GUI apps = Flatpak apps from the Discover app store
- CLI apps = Brew install packagename
- Portable apps = download any appimage drop it in Gear lever (included) and it gets added to the start menu
If all of this is not enough, you can use Boxbuddy (included) to create in two clicks a container with any distro you want in it, and afterwards you can install a truckload of packages inside of it. You can use a Ubuntu container to use a .Deb installer or access the Arch AUR, and it's gazillion of packages. They will feel like they were installed in your system but technically they are not. They can't fuck up your system. They are jailed inside the container.
So, if you fuck it up, you'll fuck up the container, not your PC.
Using boxbuddy I created a standard fedora container and installed an RPM to remove DRM from audiobooks so that I can listen to them on any app I want. It's called Libation, and for some reason it's the only app I wanted and not available on the Discover app store. All of this was like 8 clicks and no thinking, just brute clicking what looked like the right thing.
If that's still not enough, you can use a command that's something like rpm-ostree something something to layer a package on top of your base image. Almost altering your PC but not really. I haven't done this, as it's not recommended / best practice and it's supposedly the last resort.
I have been running Bazzite for like 2 years or so and Aurora for like half a year or more. I tried Bluefin too, it's great if you like GNOME, but KDE felt more performant on my laptop so I went with that. Ublue is just great.
I hope this can answer some of your questions, if you want to know something more, just ask.
Wow, thanks man! Really inspiring stuff, I feel like you clarified a lot.
I don't need to change a lot of stuff on my system either, I mostly only mess with GUI stuff. So all of this sounds great. Awesome to know there's access to basically all packages too!
I don't really have any further questions. I'll probably just buy (yet another) live pen and boot Aurora from there to give it a proper go, haha. Thanks a lot. Comment saved for posterity.
Something you should know... Ublue distros don't include a live boot mode. I used 2 USB drives:
I downloaded the image and flashed it using the Fedora Media Writer to USB 1, reset and booted into it, the installer loads up, and I installed it to USB 2.
After that, I got into my BIOS settings and set it to boot to USB 2 as default.
It worked perfectly. Plus, having it on separate drives makes it immune to issues related to dual booting.
Year of the Linux.. phone?
I think it will be usable like desktop Linux in 2028!
I sure hope so.I keep hearing good things about Sailfish OS and gave it a look on YouTube but tbh I'm quite disappointed with its current state.
Even worse is it requires using a Sony phone ๐ yeah Sony, that brand that everyone forgets produces phones because they are so garbage (and I say this as someone who's owned 3 of them).
This still seems misplaced for FOSS.
lead developer moves to US
"IT IS NOW A USA PRODUCT, DO NOT USE! STAND FAST BROTHERS!"
lol
Does it show alternatives in general or is the goal to avoid a certain kind of product or feature?
It's more about showing information in general, but I consider their neutrality a good thing.
If you're looking for buying more European check https://buy-european.net/en
If you want less US in your life check https://www.exit50.com/
exit50 seems to suggest Firefox is German and Brave is Swiss which is.... not the case
I just checked and on my end it labels Firefox as being from Canada, so don't know what's going on there. Suggested changes through the feedback form, so hopefully the people behind this will change it soon.
It's probably an AI generated website. There are so many errors that we decided to ignore it.
Thanks for replying, might not suggest it next time. Seems buy-european.net is much better maintained anyway.