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[–] spectre@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He's at least getting off his ass and going down there instead of just tweeting about his "concerns" about the situation or whatever. I think something interesting could happen, but probably not.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty much this. He’s making some kind of attempt but he likely won’t get much out of this.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean if Trump/Bukele throw him in the camp, then all respect to him for putting himself on the line. It feels like a shortcut to cool-zone territory, but also I've been let down before.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

That’s never happening. Bukele knows better than to spark heavy backlash.

[–] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah man I'm sure they're going to let you into the torture dungeon and check up on this guy they've been abusing.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or they let you in, but not out no-i-in-pezza

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly that’s a risk he should take. Imprisoning a sitting US senator is a bold move even most of the republicans won’t like

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

even most of the republicans won’t like

Why is this? You'd think Republicans would salivate at the idea

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

Because Republican senators don’t like the idea that they could be thrown in the El Salvador torture prison

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Hey he spoke with the vice president… Justice coming soon!

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I sort of liked it before when the democrats simply said stuff like Kilmar "must be turned to the US." Now they're going to milk this situation all the way up to election day. And they won't even manage to confirm for themselves that he's alive.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They're never going to confirm whether he's still alive because that would require having a backbone to out your opposition's wrongdoing.

Still going to milk this for all it's worth.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

Congress is on a ~16 day break right now. I know it's purely theoretical but all the other dem senators could have gone with him.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

in their "defense", they are completely powerless to get any info on him.

all they can do is keeping the performance going, showing they are attempting something, and at least keep Abrego Garcia's name in the news cycles for as long as possible.

However, why aren't they doing impeached and removals proceedings to get rid of that orange cancer?

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

Guess they got tired of milking January 6th

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

normal hostage takers do a confirmation of life at some point

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Dems: "Is he alive? Where is he?"

Trump admin: "He's alive. He's in a place where he's alive." Snickering.

Dems: "Oh, good. But were you laughing at us?"

Trump admin: "It would be unthinkable for us to do that."

[–] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He's a US Senator. If he was really serious, he would be arranging a filibuster of El Salvador. Normally I'm not in favor of the US and its citizens overthrowing Central American governments. But if you're openly calling yourself a dictator and operating literal concentration camps? Yeah, sorry. You deserve what's coming to you.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah and you know what the backlash to that would be? Do you have to live here and see how insane the nationalists will become as you go from one Bukele to seven of them all across the region? All of you should get the fuck out of our countries and keep to yourselves. Plenty of us don’t like him either. Many are sacrificing themselves to deal with him and other corrupt officials across Central America.

Amazing how people will say NATO was wrong for bombing Serbia over claims of genocide and then advocate to do exactly that to El Salvador. Just casual NATO chauvinism.

[–] Monsieur_bleu@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

nationalists are always as insane as they think they can get away with, there's absolutely no point in appeasing them, ever please be fucking serious

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The correct solution is to bring him before The Hague or an ad hoc international court.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

As if they'll listen. NATO countries repeatedly refuse to listen to international courts when they don't like the outcome

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Normally I'm not in favor of the US and its citizens overthrowing Central American governments

The difference is that the US overthrows democratically elected socialist leaders to install dictators, whereas you want to overthrow dictators to install democratically elected socialist leaders.

Edit: After rereading this comment, I feel the need to clarify that I'm not actually advocating that the US do this. Take a look at Afghanistan to see what happens when the US actually tries to do this. I'm not sure because countries would only do foreign interventionism if they had an agenda to promote and interest in the region but maybe something like the investment China is providing in Africa would be fine though?

[–] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Seriously. Look at this: https://archive.is/itNDE A WSJ article describing how Bukele is already planning to double the size of his concentration camp.

I am fully convinced that he has signed his own death warrant at this point. Eventually, one way or another, the Trump regime will end. And building a concentration camp for American citizens is not something people will forgive or forget. Cries will go out to depose him like we have countless Central American leaders before, except this time we'll actually be on the side of the angels for once. Bukele is going to get the Osama Bin Ladin treatment by the time this is all over. He has signed his own death warrant.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lmao you won’t be on the side of Angels. You know what kind of shit you people did to Pakistan in order to get Bin Laden? Probably don’t care because the bad guy died and everyone got to feel good for sitting back and awaiting the news. Absolutely disgusting to see this kind of take. Just casually overlooking the amount of lives suffering over a potential American invasion. Because those always manage to be subtle with few civilian casualties.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If one country is happily holding innocent people from another country in concentration camps, I'm not going to cry many tears when they invade. Of course I'd prefer the USA deals with its own shit first and stops sending them over in the first place, but if Bukele isn't sending them back when the US asks for them back, then what else do you expect to happen?

[–] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

You are parroting the neocon position and directly showing the logic of how socialism without anti-imperialism just devolves into liberalism and imperialism. The logic you're using has justified the American empire for the last 30 years.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

I am fully convinced that he has signed his own death warrant at this point

I have zero faith in AmeriKKKan libs.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

am fully convinced that he has signed his own death warrant at this point

:i-want-to-believe:

History so far says the democrats won't do this. But there has to be a breaking point somewhere. I can sell "Kill Bukele" to any Democrat voter pretty easily. They might flinch but at most they'll just say "not in public". Getting democrat politicians on board is an entirely different story. It makes for a compelling transitional demand. Will certainly serve to separate the chaff from the wheat with democrats.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

what about the other hundreds of people who were deported without trial?