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Not sure how to feel about this.
Which side said this?
Last paragraph of the first link in body
I feel badly about it. Zionists are fascists, and the Nakba is like the Holocaust. People should be able to say that. They should also be able to say Hamas is not conducting a genocide (because they don't have enough guns to do what they want). I don't support terrorism but I do think we should be conducting targeted strikes against IDF military assets without involving civilians, and I think the terrorism advocacy is mostly coming from Zionists.
the Nakba is like the Holocaust
lol
by the way i think that's regarded as anti-semitic and holocaust denial, both of which is illegal in many countries
you can see why defederation is the least one should do
Every time I feel like feddit.org is going into the right direction, shit like this pops up. Marvellous.
It's an unbelievably stupid decision imo. Talk about tone deaf.
Just FYI: There are laws in DE concerning Holocaust denial, relativism etc. The subject is tricky to say the least. I understand the feddit.org mods don't want to find themselves in court because some edgelords went on a rampage. They are already cursed enough moderating ich_iel ;)
Personally, I feel the whole discussion regarding Israel/Gaza is extremely difficult in Germany, even at my Stammtisch. The underlying reason is obviously found in our history, though the consequences of that history are misunderstood. Never again means never again, I don't care who commits the atrocities.
The way it's worded, it makes it sound that anyone opposed to their POV is one of "terrorism advocates, genocide deniers, holocaust trivializers etc." I'm hoping it's just unfortunate wording.
Unfortunate wording, if you saw the comment sections on past posts on that drama you'd know the kind of people they mean with that
They are not here to have a discussion
They are just following orders
Their MO has been throughly exposed
A discerning shit poster should take note and avoid their communities, that's how federation works. When they bully noobs, educate them on the fedi lore 🐸
Authoritarians can't handle being called out, make it harder to be called out.
Genocide is perfectly rational and normal, calling it out is a bad idea. No tought crime allowed when the government is aiding the moral and just murders.
feddit.org defederated quokk.au for calling their mods zionists
one of quokk.au's admins called a feddit's admin "absolute trash human being" and "nazi cunt". That seems to be the reason.
Apparently they felt so upset for being banned from feddit that they defederated their instance (quokk.au) from feddit.org altogether. Now feddit.org defederated back.
Honestly that admin just seems insulting and toxic. I'm glad that kind of stuff has no place on my instance.
Sure the admin may be unhinged, but removing a post about making a distinction between anti-zionism and anti-semitism?
I got some translation from their post on it about how they can't tolerate "accusations" of being called zionists? What's wrong with accusations? Removing the comment is sufficient evidence for it.
Also there's something there about such discussions being precarious because it's against some german,swiss laws? Can someone who knows german explain it a little better? Because it seems like "We will not discuss this because we don't like this discussion"
removing a post about making a distinction between anti-zionism and anti-semitism?
They don't remove posts or comments that do that. I am quite active on feddit and the general consensus on that instance is pretty pro-palestine. The vast majority of anti-zionist posts do not get removed.
What they (sometimes) remove though is comparions between nazi-germany and Zionism. The admins on that instance argued that doing this may breach German laws, so they decided to remove some of the most notorious comments about that.
I got some translation from their post on it about how they can’t tolerate “accusations” of being called zionists? What’s wrong with accusations? Removing the comment is sufficient evidence for it.
They removed posts because they fear they may violate german law. Also, feddit admins did not defederate from quokk.au because of the accusations - it is because one of their admins harrassed a feddit admin (calling them Nazi scum, wished death upon them - see my above comment) - then defederated quokk.au from feddit because of "Zionism" (which is so dumb if you ask me) - and then feddit defederated quokk.au back
Also there’s something there about such discussions being precarious because it’s against some german,swiss laws?
Holocaust denial/inversion/relativization is something (for good reason) illegal in Germany. Neonazis have been doing this for a long time and obviously it needs to be illegal. When it comes to Israel's war crimes obviously there is more nuance to this but there are boundaries too. As a german leftist I can say that a lot of us are more careful when it comes to language around the issue. There is a balancing act we have to do and I wish people outside could respect that.
Because it seems like “We will not discuss this because we don’t like this discussion”
In all honesty, this is how I feel about it. I am pro-palestine in pretty much every regard, but I have limits with the language I use. I recognize Zionism as the result of the jewish struggle of the 19th and 20th century. It does not mean I like it or I see it as an ideology that can bring about peace in the region. It also does not mean I justify any of the crimes Israel's government is doing. But it does mean that I don't compare it to Nazism. I don't like this discussion because it leads nowhere. Invalidating/inverting/relativizing the jewish struggle does nothing for the Palestinians and I feel annoyed that so many internet leftists insist so much on doing that. If there is no space for nuance, I am not interested in discussion
Love me some fediverse drama. Calling mods nazis is some classic internet stuff. But I can’t say I know much about these instances.
These reactions are very German of them... I am sure it all makes sense within German speaking community but from outside perspective these people are literally Nazi 2.0: the Israeli boogaloo
we gonna make it right with the jews by helping them do a shoah against people they dont see as humans. The law says we have to do it so it is right and proper
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Lemmy's type of decentralization still gives too much power to a few people.
When the janitors own the space, there's always the chance petty shit turns into rash decisions.
That being said, idk what that instance even is, never seen it before.
For your context: Feddit.org is the spiritual successor of the German speaking instance feddit.de, which became mostly defunct after the web frontend stopped working and the admin couldn't be tracked down.
Quokk.au is an Australian instance.
i swear if you just removed all discussion of palestine from this place it’d remove 80% of the drama
Tell me more about how not discussing a potential human rights or war crime issue makes it better.
Ohh I am sorry genocide interrupts your memes lol