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[NSFL] Russians tried to false surrender. Rus - “we are surrendering, blyat”. Ukr - “so come out, blyat”. Russians then throw a grenade out of the dugout, but it was spotted before it killed anyone (streamable.com)

submitted 1 year ago by Wilshire@lemm.ee to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

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The Russians were kicked out and the exchange fund was replenished. Work of the 3rd company of the 2nd mechanized battalion🇺🇦 3 OShBr in the direction of Bakhmut. Assault positions and close combat.

Losses on the part of the Russians are 12 - 200, 2 - 300. And three more - for exchange. There could have been more prisoners, but only three accepted the offer to surrender and save their lives.

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[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 47 points 1 year ago

Just another checkbox on ruzzian speedrun to break all the geneva convention rules. This week: Perfidy

[-] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also something everyone else learned is not a good idea as perfidy results in the enemy assuming you are doing it and executing anyone wounded or actually trying to surrender. But Russia seems to have missed most of the memos documenting what actually did and didn't work during WW2 - like if you actually want someone to surrender, try not to rape, torture and kill all their civilians and soldiers, as that tends to make the rest of them angry.

[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

They might be doing it just for this though. To prevent actual russians that want to surrender doing it, you convince the other party that it's usually a trick, so no more accepting surrenders. Then you go back to your own and tell them 'there, now nobody will believe you. you have to fight for us or die'. between this and the brigades hunting down deserters, it's a really nasty spot to be in for those that don't want to fight. Back to fragging then?

[-] Pogogunner@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

You should listen to the Dan Carlin podcast series "Supernova in the east" about the Japanese war crimes - I believe similar train of thinking may be taking place in modern day Russia, leading to the same style of widespread war crimes.

[-] trslim@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

I've been relistening to SNitE, and its such a good show. Dan does a good job talking about how horrible Imperial Japan treated prisoners, because just listening to the events make me mad to this day.

The stuff that Russian soldiers are doing are real good ways to make the opposing side to not take prisoners, just as the Australian and American forces tended to not take chances with Japanese wounded and even already dead.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I intend to use "perfidious" as soon as possible.

[-] Pogogunner@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago

I was expecting them to be executed on the spot for the perfidy. These Ukrainian soldiers have a lot of self-control

[-] Alchemy@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Definitely would not want to be the guy walking out trying to really surrender.

[-] Lemvi 13 points 1 year ago

Thats what I was thinking. Situations like this would definitely turn me into a war criminal.

[-] Hank@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

Afaik it's fair game to kill anyone fake surrendering.

[+] avater@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago

no it's not...if you have the chance to take them down without force or violence you have to do it. That is what differs us from the russians.

[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

"Those are the rules, Mom said so."

[-] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If they're fake surrendering, they aren't really giving you the chance though, are they?

[-] avater@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

depends. As you see in the video thei got them after all, so no reason to execute them because they are POWs then.

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

Source please

[+] avater@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons[...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 year ago

But that's not the case here? Orc rolled a grenade out after saying he was surrendering. Pretty sure they don't have to treat him as surrendering at that point, no?

[+] avater@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

well in the end he did surrender, so he is still a POW and should be treated like one. And before you downvote me again, I dont condone the grenade throw...I just imply to treat a POW like a POW if are able to catch him, even if he acted like a cunt.

[-] Ya_Boy_Skinny_Penis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

So just keep walking up to the Ukranian lines saying you surrender until you get close enough to throw a grenade.

Throw grenade, then immediately resume surrendering. This one war hack will blow your mind!

[-] TheMechanic@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

He wasn't a prisoner until he was disarmed and captured. Until then, he was an active combatant.

The fact he just used perfidy and then failed means the Ukrainians had valid excuse to make him and anyone else in that contact into cat meat. The fact they didn't, speaks volumes to their high character and professionalism.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

After the Ukrainians took him in then of course he's a POW. This is discussing the moments before then.

That grenade was a death warrant for every russian in that dugout, while they were still in that fighting position

[-] avater@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I thought the discussion was about why they did not execute him after that...

If he would get shot right adternthw throw, it would be his fault but I was talking about the moment when he was outside on his knees.

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 0 points 1 year ago

I didn't downvote you but since you care about that, now I have. What a bitch thing to say lol

[-] avater@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

lol 😂

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah they just threw a grenade. That means all suggestion of them surrendering was moot.

The fact that they lived is thanks to the Ukrainians being extra nice.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Aside from being the moral thing to do (albeit totally understandable if they hadn't)

They know they are filming and doing it this way is good optics

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

How in the fuck did they not execute that second one? I'm going to shoot that one a couple times in the stomach and let him bleed out slow after the first one.... Crazy self control.