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When I first found out it was an interesting concept that I was pretty neutral on but the more I engage/lurk with the community the more I enjoy it.

I generally don't post/comment much on Reddit because I tend to be extremely sincere and that's not always well received. Usually I don't get much hate, but what I do get is a lot of non-interaction mixed with downvotes. And it's just really discouraging when I'm just trying to share my thoughts.

But having no downvotes here is so nice because I'm not afraid that I'm going to get silenced into oblivion. Either people will actually engage with me (and maybe disagree, but in a meaningful way), or they'll move on and not randomly share their disdain via downvoting.

It's such a small change but makes a big difference. I bet a lot of people feel the same as me - it's more comfortable to engage here.

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[–] lackthought 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I unchecked the 'Show Scores' option in settings (desktop site) and I enjoy the experience a lot

feels like old school forums where people just communicated instead of all this useless gamification

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

extremely sincere

Yea I totally relate to that. People don't like heartfelt actual thought with emotion ime. A quirky one liner though? Upvote.

I tend to let it all out on these places, like a journal. I enjoy reading others entries too.

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[–] ABlackWaltz@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

I'm in complete agreement. When I joined Beehaw, I didn't think much of the lack of downvotes - "oh, cool, sounds good." It's definitely made it easier to want to interact with the community (as someone partial to lurking) and I've come to appreciate that they're disabled on this instance. Glad to see others are in agreement.

[–] wiredfire@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it also fundamentally changes the conversation. Valid but "unpopular" comments can't get buried in downvotes. The voting system on Reddit was based on a sane logic that totally neglected to consider how people actually behave.. the idea of up and down votes to crowd-source relevance and quality of content makes sense, but all anyone did was use it as an agree / disagree button which broke the idea entirely.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's my experience too. Downvotes are not supposed to be for disagreeing but they are used like that since people can't handle someone disagreeing. :)

[–] Synapse8260@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And a tool that can be used by bots or people with multiple fake accounts to burry comments.

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[–] Kindajustlikewhat@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Your only choices for not getting downvotes was to say something everyone will agree with, or cloak yourself in 1000 layers of sarcasm and jokes so no one can shut you down anyways.

And as I mentioned I am extremely sincere and don't care for defensive irony. Not for me.

Always just stuck to the smaller, interest/specific topic focused subreddits as a result.

[–] icesentry@lemmyrs.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've seen a lot of comments that were against the grain but still upvoted on reddit. I'm not saying they never downvote comments they don't like but if you are getting downvoted consistently and without interactions it might be more than just being sincere.

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[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 0 points 2 years ago (28 children)

How does it work if a user on another instance (that has downvotes enabled) downvotes comments on BeeHaw.org communities? Are they ignored? Can other instances see them?

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[–] julianh@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Huh, I was wondering why some stuff didn't show votes. I guess this explains it.

[–] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ironically this is how it was done on Digg before reddit, you could only "digg" something to increase its score.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I really dont like downvotes either. It's better to upvote content you like.

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[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

But can we downvote from other federated instances?

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[–] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 0 points 2 years ago

I feel the same. Although I started at beehaw and really liked the idea. I carried over to my own instance and it's nice. I have a few times looked for the down vote and realized I wanted it because I disagreed with whatever the comment was. That's silly... I use the upvote for thanking someone essentially at this point.

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I agree wholeheartedly. I didn’t like downvotes, but I didn’t realize how terrible the concept of downvotes really was until I lived without it.

Here’s my comment from another thread:

I wasn’t a fan of Reddit’s downvote system. It was a pointless, vague way to show displeasure without actually providing any useful information. I never knew if a downvote was because I made a comment that was factually wrong, the reader had a differing opinion, or simply because I made a grammatical error. Plus, there’s brigading. By itself, a downvote doesn’t really tell you anything.

I’m sure that in at least some cases, a genuine discussion (rather than a simple downvote) would have been more thought-provoking for everyone.

[–] Senseibu@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Maybe an unpopular opinion of mine, but I don’t mind downvotes, but there doesn’t need to be a calculation of the sum of the upvotes and downvotes imv. That way both are observable for the users. If something is unpopular, you can see it but it doesn’t affect its overall standing in post hierarchy, pretty sure this is how reddit used to be about a decade ago.

[–] bug@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd like to see what it's like the other way, you never see any of the upvote or downvote scores so you don't get influenced by the hive mind (but you still see the popular comments sooner, and can filter out the mass-downvoted)

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[–] Hammy@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess I'm the only one that misses downvotes. I don't take offense to being downvoted - the points/karma is completely irrelevant and I feel like it helps keep unhelpful or irrelevant comments and content at the bottom and out of my feed.

[–] bug@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, my concern is that the trolls will be just as visible as the recent comments, and that we'll get overloaded with "take my upvote", "this is the way", and "nice" comments which are essentially spam

[–] Modal 0 points 2 years ago

Presumably those wouldn't be as upvoted so they wouldn't sort with useful content but I do think someone might go on forever posting like that with a 0 score where a -1 might give them a moment of reflection.

[–] brunofin@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You've got a point. I was bothered with no downvotes until your post and it's true, we are free to actually have open conversations here instead of be received with being downvoted. Cool!

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[–] luckless@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's kind of unrelated but I think the lack of downvotes pairs well with lemmy's lack of vote counting (a.k.a karma score). Counting your internet points always feels so performative to me and kinda ruins the point of upvotes in the first place.

[–] ampcold@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that will turn out to be really important in the long run. The gamification aspect of karma score let to posts and comments leaning more to the quick and funny, and less to long and thoughtful. Especially in bigger subreddits. And then bots started to just repost and reuse previous highly upvoted stuff to boost their numbers even further.

[–] DarbyDear@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

I've mentioned my thoughts on this a few times now, but you've summed my opinions up nicely! I tend toward longer, overly-drawn-out comments and replies, so it was kind of pointless for me to comment on stuff on Reddit. It went entirely against what was promoted by the culture on Reddit, which developed as a result of turning comments into a popularity contest. If you didn't have a gimmick (ShittyMorph, poem_for_your_sprog, shittywatercolor, etc.) then you were basically stuck using jokes, references, and acerbic jabs to try to get attention (as evidenced by karma). Even downvote farmers fell into this pattern, they just did the opposite of what the typical person would do, which resulted in even more toxicity.

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