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[-] Rebelappliance@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

right-wing imprints in recent years are almost invariably distinguished by their numbing sameness: a shrill cry of victimhood, a hunt for scapegoats, a tone that alternates between hysteria and heavy sarcasm, and a recipe for salvation

Man this rings true for my experience growing up in a conservative area

[-] Gullible@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

As these comments are mostly outrage over the headline, I’d like to hear which republican policies people here are particularly happy about.

[-] axtualdave@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

You won't get an honest answer, because an honest answer is about how they want to go back to 1950s American, where straight white men were the only demographic that mattered.

[-] TrontheTechie@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago

Even better when you talk them through that and watch them realize we will never go back to that post war economy because America can’t compete with a global stage that wasn’t bombed into oblivion by the Nazis.

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

And they can't be honest about that because they know it's a bad opinion. At least if they outright said the honest answer, I could understand it a little. If they're a straight, white male and have zero empathy for anyone else, it would probably benefit them (at the cost of everyone else).

But even if they have zero empathy, they still know that anyone who does have empathy (or isn't a straight, white male and has the slightest bit of understanding for what's going on) will never agree with them. So they have to come up with all sorts of bullshit. Hence how we get stuff like comparisons to lobsters, unsupported claims that LGBT whatever is harming kids, and general turning a blind eye to any blatantly harmful stuff that progresses their goals.

[-] Gullible@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Apparently I won’t receive any answer, which further highlights the issue. “Someone curious about beneficial conservative legislation? Gotta be a trap, go around.” The hoop is entirely open and a yet they refuse to dunk, because they lack the ability.

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[-] HopeKiller@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And don't forget that the corporate tax rate was "insane" compared to current times. Something like 80%+.

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[-] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Most conservatives are woefully ignorant of actual policy or what conservatives do. I have a friend who leans conservative, and asked him what he thought Trump did well. His first point was Trump helped to reduce the deficit, despite Trump massively increasing the deficit

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[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

They're excited to force women to have babies against their will.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I know plenty of conservative intellectuals, they are not Republicans though. Look up topics on individual freedom, limited government, or the rule of law to find thousands of examples.

Most would call themselves moderates as conservative is a poisoned title, but they exist.

So ask yourself, what perspective have conservatives been groomed view the United States? Roger Kimball describes it as, “A damsel (America) is locked in a dark castle, which was once a glorious palace in years gone by.” But now “liberal elites, the bureaucracy, academia” have sapped “her vitality,” turning her “weak and infirm” due to a dastardly belief system in “left-wing ideology, political correctness, egalitarianism. Using this metaphorical trope, Kimball continued to describe citizens as having turned into weaklings who secretly long for a return to national greatness. This view of decline and decadence, so core to the conservative intellectual tradition, is prone to eventual faith in a strong, authoritarian leader. And thus, Donald Trump becomes, for Kimball, the only one ready to rescue the country from its demise.

Their perspective is so vastly different due to indoctrination from years of talk radio, right wing news, and sites like facebook, reddit and 4chan where echo chambers reinforced the indoctrination.

The aspect free minds are missing us that, to quote Kimball again, "Trumpism represent[s] conservatism at its essential core, a kind of return to its roots in monarchism". This “monarchism” is now being nurtured by a populist faith—a combined belief in the supposed goodness of the masses, led by the sort of paternalistic authoritarian leader that conservative intellectuals can get behind.

A free mind can obviously see through the deception has it is full of holes. If you don't believe Steve Bannon is the next Pluto than you've already come to the conclusion that these buffoons are actually fascists attempting to strip American citizens of their rights and to gain power through the courts, through the power of the mob, and to gain power through forced religion, just as the Nazis did in the 1930s. The difference is they have absolute imbeciles in charge who have mucked up the process and exposed what they are doing. The mirror was broken for the vast majority of the American people to see. Thus this movement stalled, but it isn't dead yet.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

... individual freedom, limited government, or the rule of law...

There is nothing inherently conservative about any of those values. Depending on the ruling government at the time, those concepts were often considered decidedly progressive. In fact, it could be both at the same time depending on which freedoms, which limits, and which laws you're discussing.

Conservatives at every point in history redefine conservativism to encompass the values that most benefit themselves at the time. If conservatives own businesses and do not control the government, they support limited government and deregulation. If conservatives face competition and can capture regulatory bodies, then strict guidelines and requirements are absolute.

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[-] escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

There is not such thing as "there's no such thing"

[-] ferne@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

"Everybody I disagree with is a dumbass." Thankfully, the world is more complex than that.

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[-] eramseth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

A lot of you people haven't read this, and it shows.

https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/agre/conservatism.html

Ps. You can literally just ask yourself what it is conservatives want to conserve...

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