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While I’m not an expert on the manosphere and have no involvement or interest in it beyond analyzing and fixing it, I think the problem is layered and the result of society constantly harming the dignity of people and then doing things to deny wrongdoing. For example, people are culturally expected to achieve certain things which are impossible in the modern world like owning a home, going to college, or finding a job. Instead of everyone supporting the modern generation on how society has failed and dishonored them, they medicalize those who don’t fit into modern corporate jobs, claim no laws were broken so no harm was done, or that there is no recourse for injustice by modern systems so everyone just needs to deal with the lives they ended up with. If men say that they are struggling with the system they live under, they are invalidated. Women don’t have it much better, but social support and cultural expectations make it so that women aren’t as invalidated or ridiculed for their struggles. Modern Western countries lack honor culture so many men cannot even articulate their emotions without needing to externalize problems or using therapy-speak that we despise since we were culturally conditioned to not have emotions let alone talk about them. In the Ancient world, the men could articulate that they were being dishonored or someone was harming their dignity. In the modern world, they would be ridiculed or seen as dangerous. As it currently stands, men are viewed as dangerous or crazy if they are angered by anything which creates a situation where any government or group of people can mistreat us with the expectation of impunity.

Honor culture isn’t pretty and I’m not saying it would magically solve the grievances people have in the modern world, but we should seek to normalize saying “I was dishonored” or “This is a dishonor” to give recourse to modern people that cannot articulate their problems in any better way. Instead of invalidating these grievances and leaving them alienated to be radicalized, acknowledging honor would effectively remove many of the prerequisite conditions that the manosphere needs in order to exist. We would not need to allow duels or other kinds of combat for honor since most grievances today are political or institutional, but people still need socially sanctioned ways to restore honor. People need positive recognition by society and recourse against a system that degrades everyone involved. The powerlessness and humiliation of modern people needs to be remedied to end the reliance on destructive outlets.

What do you guys think? Is it worth it to bring back honor culture to stop the manosphere from existing, or would the potential problems be worse?

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[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why the honor system specifically? Why would that serve to express emotions better?

I equate honor with dignity, which would mean that being treated with disrespect is similar/equal to being dishonored -- do we hold the same definition?

Feeling disrespected is emotional; being angry and/or sad, hurt because you are treated worse than you feel you deserve.

Is that considered "therapy speak"? I personally (thankfully) am not close to or directly affected by the 'manosphere' -- although I do read a lot about it online and am aware that it is a big problem in western countries at the moment. It is not easy to tackle and will take a multimodal approach.

[–] EzraNaamah@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that because many men are failed by society but aren't allowed to have emotions. If they say "I feel abandoned by society" they can be open to ridiculed while if they say the phrase "I am being dishonored by the state" it reads as more serious and would be more likely to be received. Maybe a lot of people will still ridicule the second one but at least it sounds more masculine even if it is somewhat subjective at the end of the day.

As far as dignity and respect, society neglects and discards many people while still technically not disrespecting them. Respect is based on understandings of treating people properly, but in political or institutional settings this doesn't always translate to everyone being treated well. Honor is about reputation and respect because the ancient world had no government or ideas of rights, so your reputation and how well you (Or your family/clan) avenged past grievances would stop others from messing with you. Honor can also be about good deeds but isn't always about respect or treating people well. Honor is more about not making someone look bad or weak, not humiliating/insulting them or lowering their social status.

To your third point, feeling disrespected is emotional but honor is about a mix of emotions, reputation, social status, and respect. Someone can do something that dishonors someone else, their family, or themselves without it necessarily being emotional. Historically many grievances or disrespect were framed in the context of honor because they did not have modern ideas of respect and grievances with others had to be framed in a way that they understood and that was actionable. Modern men are discouraged from having feelings or saying they were wronged in some way which I believe leads to them externalizing their problems becoming manosphere or worse.

And for therapy speak, that's more of people saying "I feel this way" or "I am emotionally hurt" because men are culturally not allowed to say those things. There are other kinds of therapy speak like diagnosing themselves with ADHD or something and using therapy terms like dissociation, but for this conversation I meant it as discussion of emotion.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

I think the point reached here, is that honor is already part of western culture. Just shows up in different ways for different people. I cannot speak to your local culture, some people are honorless, alas.