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25 EVs Were Range-Tested In Extreme Cold. It Didn’t Go Well (insideevs.com)

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[–] dxgsthrr@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

I disagree with "it didn't go well". I'd say it went pretty well. Most cars fell 30-40% short of their WLTP ratings. They probably fall 10-20% short of that in summer anyway. And -30DegC is a rare temperature where I live (Scotland). We will see -10DegC occasionally, and it would be pretty bad luck for that to coincide with a long road trip.

As for the winners in this test: seems like the Koreans (EV4, Inster, Musso, not so much Ioniq 9) and MG (6S and IM6) did best. Which is a surprising result for me. It's the first time I've heard of Voyah Courage but it did well also.

The losers? Suzuki, Opel, Volvo and Lucid seemed to fair particularly poorly. The rest is all mid pack.

[–] golden_trashcan@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So they claim the ranges at -30°C are proof that WLTP ranges are „unrealistic“? Given that the WLTP procedure specifies 23°C ambient air temperature, I'd say „no shit Sherlock“…

Seems like some jounalists are still absolutely clueless about EVs.

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 7 points 1 day ago

It’s clickbait.

The majority of the cars traveled well over 300km in these freezing temperatures, which in real-world conditions is more than most people will drive in -30° with no chargers.

Lying about the practicality of extreme temperatures are just another way to discount EVs as reliable transportation.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

I suspect that some journalists are payola'd to write negitive things about EVs

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, but new battery techs are coming and will show that range will hardly be affected by the cold, unlike current batteries. Will make a big difference in places like Canada that often see -30C.

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Clickbait title, but here's the cold weather range reduction, ordered best to worst (why wouldn't they sort it that way already?).

Model	WLTP range - miles (km)	Real-world range - miles (km)	Difference
MG 6S	301 (485)	214 (345)	-29%
Hyundai Inster	223 (360)	159 (256)	-29%
MG IM6	313 (505)	218 (352)	-30%
KGM Musso	235 (379)	163 (263)	-31%
Voyah Courage	273 (440)	186 (300)	-32%
Kia EV4	369 (594)	242 (390)	-34%
Changan Deepal S05	276 (445)	182 (293)	-34%
Xpeng X9	348 (560)	224 (361)	-36%
Mazda 6e	343 (552)	216 (348)	-37%
Smart #5	335 (540)	212 (342)	-37%
Audi A6 E-Tron	405 (653)	250 (402)	-38%
Hyundai Ioniq 9	372 (600)	230 (370)	-38%
Zeekr 7X	336 (541)	210 (338)	-38%
Volkswagen ID. Buzz	279 (449 km)	141 (227 km)	-38%
BMW iX	398 (641)	241 (388)	-39%
Ford Capri	348 (560)	210 (339)	-39%
Volvo ES90	387 (624)	231 (373)	-40%
Tesla Model Y	372 (600)	223 (359)	-40%
Mercedes-Benz CLA	440 (709)	261 (421)	-41%
Skoda Elroq	325 (524)	192 (309)	-41%
Suzuki eVitara	245 (395)	139 (224)	-43%
Volvo EX90	379 (611)	210 (339)	-45%
Lucid Air	596 (960)	323 (520)	-46%
Opel Grandland	300 (484)	162 (262)	-46%

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

TIL -30C is “extreme cold”, here that is just called Tuesday.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@lemmy.ca

Yeah that checks out. I'd get excited for sodium batteries if the cold weather performance is even half right.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sodium and hopefully solid state. If they ever get solid state figured out and affordable, will make every current EV obsolete overnight.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

will make every current EV obsolete overnight.

Certainly not. Batteries will be introduced into a few models and slowly gain market share while production is scaled up over a few years. If they're really that much better, they'll be in luxury cars first and part of the price tag, slowly working their way down the model palette. If a company patented a crucial technology for manufacturing, they'll have a monopoly but won't be able to scale quickly, slowing down adoption further. These things don't just happen overnight, so current battery types will remain relevant for years, guaranteed.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I'm still fine with my lithium batteries. I still expect to get 250k miles out of it. If for some reason the car outlasts the batteries, I'm gonna look at a better chemistry replacement and a BMS upgrade.