Absolutely everybody here is sleeping on zulip.
this post was submitted on 11 Feb 2026
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Zulip fulfills a completely different purpose than matrix. Its also not e2ee or federated so its kind of not an option at all for government use. Local governments need to be able to run independent infrastructure that can talk to each other. Centralized infrastructure is not an option anymore these days, its a national security risk.
Local governments need to be able to run independent infrastructure that can talk to each other. Centralized infrastructure is not an option anymore these days
Zulip can be self-hosted.
Yes but if it doesnt federate then that makes it more likely to become practically centralized. Interchanging information between independent organizations through a common channel is whats necessary here. Imagine if email only worked between people in the same company. Ridiculous concept.
Interoperability would be even better, but if people using the same software on a different server cant exchange information then thats just not a feasible solution for big organizations or governments these days.
Zulip is a PITA to set up, by reading the docs
It depends on your level of expertise. It's open source software that you download and run on hardware that you lease or own. So you need to know how to do that in order to use it. As those things go, it really isn't difficult.
No, it's not as easy as signing up for an account on some website. That's the difference between third-party services (owned, operated and controlled by some random company your decide to trust) and software that YOU run, on hardware YOU control, with access that YOU decide upon, and no one who will gate it or take it away.
It's a trade-off. Everyone must consider their wants vs needs and choose what's most important to them.
What disappoints me is how quickly people are willing to throw up their hands and say IT'S TOO HARD without ever even trying.
No shit. For years they have spent more time making custom clients for NATO than fixing the basics. #XMPP
Gonna second the soatok hate. This guys just been signals #1 fanboy for the last several years and it really gets on my nerves.
lol not reading soatok again, people post his slop every single discussion of messengers. thanks, but I don't think "this is too difficult for furries to use at cons" is a useful metric for judging communications protocols.
pretty deft though, I mean, implying ease of access issues happen more often to furries. I'm sure that is the case! #XMPP #furry
It's possible that you'd be more interested in https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/