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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 56 minutes ago

Didn't read article, but can tell headline is BS already

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 64 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

plug a solar panel into a large battery backup, plug the major appliances into that.

Utility companies don't need to know shit.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's what I have. Basically a small-ish parallel electrical system that runs critical loads like a mini split, refrigerator, water heater, etc. And a small UPS for modem/server.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, how do you have that setup (at a high level)?

I've got a bluetti system for emergency power (12kWh, 6kW AC output) but I need to plug things directly into it. It'd be nice to feed it directly to my house wiring but ... selectively. That is, I wouldn't want to power the HVAC but it would be nice to not have to shuffle the fridge/freezer plugs from the wall to the inverter.

Dedicated circuit(s) with a manual switch from mains to inverter, I'm guessing? But then we get into all the extras required to do that safely and avoid back feeding the grid.

Granted, they have systems/setups specifically for whole house power but I don't want to feed the whole house, just the important circuits/appliances.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Basically made a really sturdy pergola and then mounted solar panels to it. Ran that wiring to the MPPT, batteries and inverter in the garage. Put in a new small breaker box right next to the existing one, which made it real easy to just grab the wires for the critical loads and run them over to the new panel.

No need to worry about backfeeding, as I said they're parallel electrical systems, so it's not possible.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 2 points 46 minutes ago

Aha, the separate breaker box is the part I wasn't thinking about. I'll need to do some thinking on how I could make that work for me. Thank you for the info.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago

No but he sounds like a cool guy

[–] agile_squirrel@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't understand the parallel part. Do you mean independent, so the critical stuff can only get power from the solar circuit? Since it's critical stuff, do you have a fallback if solar production is low? Is your battery 24 or 48v?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 10 hours ago

I mean the 2 systems are not connected in any way. They're completely independent.

If it stays cloudy for a few days, or I am anticipating a potential outage, I can plug in a battery charger to the grid.

My batts are 48V EG4 units. But I would go the "DIY" route if I were to do it again, they are considerably less expensive.

[–] doctor0710@lemmy.zip 6 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

My thoughts exactly. Also I wouldn't really like to risk my stuff by connecting to their infrastructure anyway. At least over here, I saw how incompetent they are. 

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 33 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

If your business is critical for modern human living, it should be non-profit. It should be guided by the best management plan of the time, debated and approved by the majority of shareholders. It should open its books and stay open.

Really, it should be government.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

May I introduce you to the concept of 'natural monopoly'.

Basically most natural monopolies (power, phone lines, roads etc) in most places were historically run by governments (because it's bloody sensible) until the neoliberal movement in the 80s privatized them because 'private enterprise is more efficient' (at extracting tax dollars as it turned out) and to balance a few budgets.

Should definitely be ruled a failed experiment and rolled back.

[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

Hold on! You're telling me every common utility is run by corpos in America? I thought it was limited to only telecom.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

My power company is a co-op. They have long term contracts with various providers, so my power bill doesn't fluctuate much on short term news.

At the end of every year, we get a dividend check in the mail for any excess profit.

Pretty sure all utilities should work that way.

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 68 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Why don't we just change the revenue model for power companies. I understand they need money to maintain the infrastructure and pay employees. If power generation becomes so cheap that it can't sustain the company then don't rely on that for revenue. I'd rather pay a flat rate for the infrastructure and operating costs than a fluctuating generation charge. And public utilities should not be for profit.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Many places already do charge a “line charge” if you have solar power and use little or no utility company power. You pay for being hooked up to the grid even if you barely use it.

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 13 hours ago

This. This is the way. It solves this problem completely, but utilities somehow refuse it. It's almost like their argument is not in good faith ...

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 19 hours ago

When I got solar panels on my previous home there was a $5 a month line charge. That when went up to $8 the next year, then $10, then closer to $20. The power company (Duke Energy in case anyway wants to the shitty company's name) was determined to make it as painful as possible for people to use Solar. They were also apparently responsible for pushing to get it illegal in that area to go "off grid" and to have a cap on the amount of solar power a home could generate. At now point did these line changes stop them from raising the normal power usage rates mind you, this was just an extra "fuck you" from them.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 141 points 1 day ago (50 children)

I mean, it makes sense to me that consumers can't be pumping energy into the grid with no way to cut it off, but I'm not a lineman or some sort of civil engineer or whatever.

But if I were a lawmaker, I'd be on the phone with the Germans, who have 1.2M of these connected, and figuring out if and how they're doing it safely. But lawmakers seem to be somehow incapable of reaching out to people who know fuck all about anything.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 100 points 23 hours ago (114 children)

The microinverters stop feeding in if grid goes down. So it's safe.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 12 hours ago

Assuming its not cheap piece of crap that isn't UL listed and that's where the problem is.

[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Or if the voltage is too high. Or at least they should be

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Too high, too low, or out of frequency range.

[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, I’m practice I’ve only had the first one happen to me

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