You may say that they shouldn't warn and just strike but Iran does not have the diplomatic cover that USrael does to do that. Europe would instantly declare war if Iran did anything remotely resembling an "unprovoked" attack. USrael can attack outta nowhere and Eurocucks won't do anything, but Iran can't do that.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Nailed it.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Why would we care about Israel?

[–] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 26 points 5 days ago

israel is west's imperial outpost in middle east

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago

That depends who you are. Do you mean "the average American" or perhaps "the US government looking to spend some money on private military-related expenses from your friend's company" or perhaps "a politician who relies on pro-Israel funding"? ... Those all have different answers.

[–] Mojitas@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Christians of the world care because there is some bullshit in the bible about Jesus returning when the Jews lives there. And that is also probably why the place even exists as it does today.

It is pure fucking madness.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Breno Altman is a brilliant communist journalist here in Brasil. A secular Jew from an influential anti-zionist family, he is a major critic of Zionism. He is under fierce attack by the Zionist lobby.

He explains that Zionism enacted a religious reform: the old Jewish doctrine "Israel will be restored after the Messiah comes" was replaced by "The Messiah will come after Israel is restored". Some Orthodox Jews still oppose this new doctrine.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago

I certainly fuckin don’t.

[+] PixeIOrange@lemmy.world -13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Because of the ~10% decent people there.

Bombing a land is never good, even if its israel.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 days ago

What are your thoughts on the bombing of Nazi Germany?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Fuck USrael, they have never cared about the "~10% decent people" whenever they bomb and murder a nation. Honestly Iran should behave like the monster they are framed to be anyways.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There are three types of evil:

The ones doing the genocide with their own hands.
The ones doing nothing to stop it.
The ones who failed at stopping it.

There's no innocent in Israel. They're all soldiers. There are Israeli who are deliberately culprit, living there, and Israeli who are atoning overseas (the only ones deserving forgiveness).

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are Palestinians that live in Israel.

They aren't allowed to use the same bomb shelters as Jews.

In an apartheid state there are always going to be second class citizens that are not afforded the same rights as the ruling caste.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They must be liberated. They're captives. And they're not Israeli. Any Palestinian with blood inside veins should refuse that denomination.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

But they live in Israel all the same, and if Israel is bombed they're the ones who won't be allowed in the bomb shelters.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ask yourself whether they wouldn’t be willing to die to help burn the blight on the humankind called Israel. Don’t play liberal here, comrade.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I can ask myself all I like, but I'm not the one that has to burn the answers onto my body.

If bombing Israel was the only way to destroy it, then maybe it's worth it. It's not. "Israel" isn't a real country, it's a fragile garrison state that can only exist as long as it is provided an unlimited supply of weapons and investment. Cut off that supply and Israel will melt into air as all the settlers flee back to their home countries. There's simply no need to kill Israel's human shields.

And that's why Iran is playing this game. They're trying to collapse Israel without endangering the Palestinians that live there.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Okay, comrade, I'm frustrated. Israel is hanging dozens of prisoners every week. The genocidal state doesn't deserve any consideration. No rationalization can bring back those lifes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

I'm not giving the genocidal state any consideration. The ruling caste deserves to be bombed, no question.

But we have to give consideration to the Palestinians living under the boot within Israel, because they're the ones who won't be allowed into the Jewish bomb shelters. I think that's what the Axis is trying to figure out with these negotiations; is it possible to defeat Israel without sacrificing the Palestinians that live there? And to do it within an acceptable time-frame? Maybe.

I'm frustrated too, but I'm not the one with my body on the line. I can't blame the Axis of Resistance for exhausting all other options.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You can ask yourself that, but it's not for you or I to answer

[–] content_educator_94@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 days ago

Strike them bitchess they deserve it

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm warning you: I'm gonna do something without warning if you're not careful!

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 days ago

They probably mean "without prior warning about the strike so citizens can evacuate". Given that the Zionist entity places military and intelligence sites really close or below civilian infrastructure, that means mass casualties.