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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] inari@piefed.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Germany is usually on the wrong side of genocides

[–] kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

from the river to the sea

[–] interesting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Espected behavior

[–] Tango@piefed.ca -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Israel does in fact have a right to exist. But so does Palestine. Along the 1949 borders.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A) No country has the right to exist.

B) A violent genocidal settler colonial state whose entire existence can be summed in with "White people invaded a land they had no claim to and never stopped killing," definitely has no right to exist.

C) This genocide started in the 1920s. There is no possible excuse for its continuance or for the inherently violent ideology you call Israel to be allowed to continue existing.

[–] Tango@piefed.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People have an inherent right to exist. People have an inherent right to self-determination. People have an inherent right of free association.

But the artificial constructs they create through these rights do not themselves have the same rights, especially given the explicit purpose of these artificial constructs can directly interfere with these inherent rights. We create and destroy these constructs as we need, as we feel appropriate, something we should not do with people.

This means they do not and cannot have the same rights, they exist solely to serve a purpose, and in fact should be eliminated when that purpose is perverted or when that purpose causes harm to actual humans.

Israel, a settler-colonial construct explicitly designed to create an ethnostate for the domination of all other races by the nebulously defined Jewish ethnicity, does not have a right to exist. The people of Israel? Sure. But they give up that right as they take it away from others. The state itself? Absolutely not. Not only does it not have a right to exist, it is the moral imperative of all free peoples to ensure that it cannot continue to exist given the immense harm it inherently requires.

[–] Tango@piefed.ca -1 points 1 day ago

That reeks of sophistry. The German law which started this comment thread is meant to criminalize rhetoric against Israel, and the rhetoric it takes aim at is not merely abstract rhetoric about seeking to get Israelis to elect a nicer government. Not all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, but it's disingenuous to pretend that anti-semitism doesn't exist at all. And if you ARE willing to admit the extent to which anti-semitism still pervades our world, then you have to see that the overly simplistic rhetoric that "Israel has no right to exist" has more sinister implications than you're willing to admit.