When do you consider a fictional country finished? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world to c/worldbuilding@lemmy.world

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How much (or little) information do you need to tell your story? I have a hard time reaching a stopping point, and when I do, I often get the urge to start changing things again.

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[-] folkemunne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its fine to do world building for its own sake, if you enjoy it. But if you intend to use your world for anything, then it’s not so much “when is it enough” as “what is it for”. It’s fun to develop, say, a tavern full of interesting characters. But are the players going to go there?

My suggestion would be to develop the rough sketches of the world at large, and then focus more on the players’ surroundings, and do a bit between sessions as you anticipate what the players are interested in pursuing. Even if you let them go where they want, they probably aren’t going to go anywhere.

Also, if you let the players develop the rough sketches of where they want to go during a session (“I want to find a rowdy tavern in the seedy part of town!” / “My character is a veteran, maybe he has an army buddy living around here!”) their prompts will help you improvise, and they’ll be more invested as well. That will do for the first session that the place/character appears, and if it feels like something that’ll reoccur, you can build upon it between sessions to make it come alive more for subsequent sessions.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Others have given very reasonable answers, but "do enough, and then do as much as you want for fun" is probably the answer my heart desired most to hear, privately.

[-] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is a pretty good bit of advice, especially for those working with a tabletop gaming group. "Build a bit to get started" -> "Play a bit to get the feel of your group" -> "Build more based on what they seem to enjoy / want" is a solid bit of advice, albeit one that makes you wait a bit to start showing off your worldbuilding chops.

[-] folkemunne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn’t have to take that long, because by focusing on the things the players are (probably) going to interact with, chances are much higher they’ll actually experience all the detail you’ve added. And if they want to venture further afield, asking them for prompts is a good way to make sure the world you develop keeps being relevant.

I’m a big fan of how FATE does campaign development, and would recommend reading the relevant sections 1, 2 in the SRD, even if you’re running a game in a different system.

[-] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'll definitely take a look at that. I'm not familiar with FATE, but I am working on some homebrew stuff now, so it sounds useful.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

How important is that country to your story? Is it more like a backdrop, or is it and its dynamics front and center? How much would you need to understand the motivations of a given character when it comes to its upbringings? Is it totally out of the world, or would a reskin of a real world society be already sufficient?

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's the crux of it for me, is that I am not much of an improviser. I can run great games when I know everything in advance, so the tendency is to write for years and run for months. I like to let people run free as well, so I can't put up too many Potemkin kingdoms that look adequately detailed from afar.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Oh so, this is for a roleplaying campaign setting? Mhm, that's tricky then.

I guess you could add names and locations, set the general vibe. And once your players/characters investigate something or someone you flesh it out depending on your info you gathered and or can derive from what you already wrote.

Thing about players and Gamemasters: You may have the most detailed and rich developed world you can imagine, wrote and worked on it for years and your players just pass through or just scratch the surface. You will be disappointed when you look back at what you wrote, which now you can throw in the bin.

It's all about smoke and mirrors.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's complicated. I started writing my setting for a tabletop game, but as I added more and came to enjoy telling stories in it, I am moving towards wanting to use it for my own fiction. I don't aspire to create a legendarium with the depth and poetry of Tolkien, but I am learning to delight in realizing a world in great detail for its own sake. I might still run games in it, but I do think there's a book in there somewhere, as well.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, in most worlds one build you can tell stories that isn't played at the table. But the same things still apply. Does the reader need to know an intrinsic detail of the given country to enjoy and follow the story? If so, add it to your notes and develop it, then continue your writing. That way you constantly add to your setting while also tell stories for others to consume, those may even give you feedback regarding missing facets that you then can use to make your world building even more robust.

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