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Help! The Taliban ate my face! (archive.ph)
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Herbert F. (84) has been in a Taliban dungeon in Kabul for six months: the right-wing extremist blogger from Vienna had traveled to the Islamist country in the Hindu Kush despite warnings. He had wanted to show that, contrary to the opinion of experts, Afghanistan was a safe country of origin and that refugees could be deported there without hesitation - and proved the exact opposite.

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[-] rentar42@kbin.social 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

(Edit: this was meant as a reply to an apparently now-deleted (?) comment about why he deserves the anonymity of having his last name abbreviated).

He deserves it for the same reason a single mother raising a kid that gets involved in an armed robbery deserves it: basic human rights.

The idea of those is that they are universal and you'd have to have a very good reason to supersede them. If they are not universal, then they are just "suggestions" and then we end up with exactly the kind of society that this guy wanted.

And yes, being a major political actor is a good reason to lose that anonymity (which is also how it's handled in European media, there is no reporting on Angela M. or Emmanuel M.).

But this guy is a not a public figure in any reasonable sense any more. He's a stupid old guy that was one of the founding members of a extreme-right splinter party of a right-wing popular party in 1967. That party was banned in 1988. So it (and he) has not been relevant to anything for 35 years. He tried to become relevant with this stunt, fucked around and found out.

In fact, reporting on his full name is probably what he wants: publicity is what he was attempting to achieve, but anonymity is what he deserves (both as a basic human right and as punishment IMO).

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is he charged with a crime or did he do a stupid international venture that is a continuation on the theme of his ridiculous political movement? Do leaders of racist boomer political movements deserve anonymity? Why couldn't he keep it confined to VierChan?

Edit: were it the case that his privacy was of primacy, why did it explicilty link him to his little "movement"?

[-] rentar42@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is he charged with a crime

Apparently by the Taliban, yes.

But in Europe that is not sufficient to lose the right to anonymity (and it shouldn't be, it's incredibly easy to get charged, no matter whether anything bad happened).

Do leaders of racist boomer political movements deserve anonymity?

He isn't a leader of anything. Hasn't ever been (even when he was a founding member, he wasn't the leader).

He is a nobody (as he should be). And as such he deserves anonymity, yes. Just because he tried to change himself back into no-a-nobody doesn't mean he has succeeded.

Why couldn’t he keep it confined to VierChan?

Nazis are gonna Nazi.

Edit regarding your edit: yeah, that seems pretty fishy. I don't think they should have mentioned it, but with enough inside knowledge you'd probably find him by just "84 year old right-wing extremist blogger from Austria". That is (fortunately) not a huge population. I suspect (and this is purely speculation) that the authors don't think he deserves anonymity (so they include enough information to find out who it is), but do think they shouldn't "advertise" his cause (so they make it easy to ignore who he is). Similar to how media outlets in the US have finally decided to not publish the names of mass shooters: there is very little public benefit in publishing it and a very real risk of it encouraging others.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

suspect authors don't think he deserves anonymity

They're absolutely correct in that assessment and I will defend to the death (forgive my choice of words) the hilarity and their moral correctness for having done so. These people all wanna be famous anyway, how else was he planning on proving his point that its safe?

Also why should his cause be ignored? Evil florishes in darkness, I really don't get why you're defending this guy, particularly when I fee like its such a flimsy case.

Also these folks are born martyrs

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Anonymous or not, he can still serve as an example where human stupidity can lead one.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Dude pretty much literally drank the koolaid

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Would love for him to enumerate his "sources" in between goon the spinning dagger wheel

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Whats a more old-timey koolaid?

[-] Skua@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Kool aid powder has been on sale for nearly 100 years, I think it already is the old-time version of itself

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

God, this place is so great. The crap I learn here XD

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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Its a tough but fair punishment. I advise he takes it

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 8 months ago

No somehow all of this is the liberals fault. You can bet in it

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I mean, give me TWO non-nitpicky ways it isnt?! /s

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

When keeping it real goes wrong

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

really stupid

[-] MaxPower@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

The link is to an Austrian news site. Could not find an English source.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think I've heard enough

Edit: see my other comment

Edit: I lied

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 8 months ago

I assume that's because no one outside of Austria knows who he is.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The problem is that you have someone who the law always protected and never bound(ed). Then he takes the party train to a different kingdom where the law binds but does not protect him. Now he wants you to come risk your neck for his protection.

some of you may die but that is a sacrifice he's willing to make

Edit: is Afghanistan advanced enough to even be a Kingdom, not sure about the specs of the nomeclature. I know it usually means medieval...

[-] Blum0108@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Is there a reason I can't get past the captcha on Firefox Mobile?

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

How is his lastname a single letter?

[-] rentar42@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In case you're not joking: It's very common in Europe to abbreviate the last name of non-public figures when reporting on them. So it's a kind of anonymization.

On the other hand: that guy was the founding member of a party, so could be argued to be a (minor) public figure. But I guess this specific report is not directly tied to that "work" of his, so it could be considered in the private sphere.

[-] MaxPower@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah this.

If anyone wants to know his full name (for whatever reason), you can find it on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_(Austria)

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Herbert Fritz

Can I ask why the hunt? Like why not just do what I did here?

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 4 points 8 months ago

also Austria probably has thousands of Herbert Fritzes

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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why the fuck is an 84 yo blogging and why in the fuck is anyone listening to him creedthoughtsgov.com? How does he even depress the power button?

[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

I mean, an elderly granny gained a huge online following playing Skyrim. There are also various channels of old people talking about their youth, opinions on today through the lens of their experi nce, etc. with big followings. This guy was also involved in politics, apparently

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Which is why its a crazy argument that he's entitled to, much less deserves anonymity. When in Rome, you do as Romans do.

Edit: also, had he succeeded, how much do you wanna bet he would be all over the news and internet bragging about how if Afghanistan is good enough for him, its good enough for...refugees/immigrants? He would definitely be on FoxNews and friends

Edit: doesn't seem very fair that if he wins he wins and if he loses he wins by getting to hide his losses he would have been prepared to trumpet had the Taliban been more gentile with him

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago

He wishes he'd gone to Rome

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nah, Romans were gay

—Him, definitely

Edit: I just wish I had an old-timey slur to make it more realistic

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago

Well they probably were gay. A lot of them were very much into that kind of thing and no one back then seemed to mind.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is such an understated reply, very humorous :)

Edit: also, an orifice is an orifice

[-] sasquash471@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

I kinda feel bad for his relatives but this is just hilarious

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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm A ~~Right-Wing Extremist~~ Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here

— ~~Stephen Baldwin~~ Herbert ~~F.~~ Fritz

F this guy

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sounds like a real swell fella

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