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Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 24/11/2023 (lemmy.nz)
submitted 11 months ago by absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz to c/newzealand@lemmy.nz
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Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!

Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!

Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.

So, how’s it going?

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[-] NoRamyunForYou@lemmy.nz 6 points 11 months ago

We're currently looking after a friends cat at our place, and was wondering if anyone had some tips to get them "acclimated"?

It's been a couple of days, and she's pretty shy, and even while purring etc, will suddenly start hissing and swatting at you. Though eating and drinking well, and going to the bathroom often which is good to see.

We've started ignoring her until she comes to us for attention, which seems to be making things a little bit better.

[-] eagleeyedtiger@lemmy.nz 4 points 11 months ago

Honestly, that sounds like normal cat behaviour lol.

The ignoring unless they come to you usually works for all cats doesn’t it

[-] NoRamyunForYou@lemmy.nz 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah I guess so haha. The only reason it's extra annoying at the moment, is that she'll sit right in the middle of the corridor, where it meets the stairs. Trying to go past is like a game of will you get swatted/bit roulette

[-] liv@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Instead of only ignoring her try to combine it with this: look her in the eyes for 2 seconds, then very slowly close your eyes and look away. This is universal cat language for friendly intentions.

If you don't mind spending money on her get a Feliway spray and spray the places she hangs out. It's a hormone that smells like their mums did and makes them feel more relaxed.

She also needs a safe hideout. If the owner didn't give you a bed for her try casually leaving a cardboard box on its side somewhere.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Whelp. I just upset global HR overnight by asking them to stop sending region specific emails globally.

Mea culpa I probably did genuinely upset the poor junior staffer who sent it, so that's on me.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 11 months ago

I once put a rule in to send all emails from one of those email addresses straight to a folder.

It worked up until that team tried to contact me directly, and used the same email that they used for sending to everyone. But hey, eventually they called asking if I'd seen all their emails, and we got it sorted (I updated the rule to filter on keywords).

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

Apparently the professional boundary I crossed was pointing out that "action XYZ" violates NZ law so cannot apply to us, and to please stop telling us we need to comply with "XYZ".

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 11 months ago

Have kicked off an install of HomeAssistant OS on my Raspberry Pi 4 now that I'm happy with how my new setup of my other stuff on the new old laptop server is running. Getting pretty serious! Still only have one sensor and two plugs. But I can be small scale serious, I think.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 11 months ago

Thought for the day

Is there; in your opinion; such as thing as a fundamentally bad person?

Are we just a product of our environments, or is there some point where your powers of logic are supposed to be able to override your upbringing?

[-] liv@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah I think they might exist. Personality and environment are important but I think to some extent we choose to feed some traits in ourselves more than others.

I once had a disturbing conversation with a colleague in which he seriously asserted that doing evil was more interesting and rewarding than doing good. A few months later he turned out to be a manipulative serial sexual harasser who was threatening to ruin young women's careers.

To me, that's an example of a genuinely bad person. I mean he pretty obviously had APD but he was also actively and consciously choosing to lean into it.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 11 months ago

You have to wonder what motivates those people.

[-] liv@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

Idk on one hand I can't understand it at all but on the other hand from my reading around the subject since then, I think what motivates them are some of the motivations we might have too, like a desire to feel special, a desire to experience a thrill, a desire to have power and agency in our lives.

Only with them the channels they choose to achieve it are different and their lack of empathy puts a lot of options on the table for them that are just unthinkable to us.

After my run in with that guy I read up on APD and con artists so I would be able to spot it sooner in future. There are plenty of people with APD who don't choose to nurture that side of themselves.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

There are psychopaths and sociopaths, who are just fundamentally broken and aren't really safe to allow into society.

Most people are a product of their environment, but there's a few who are just broken.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

According to this the instance of psychopathy in the general population is really high at 1.2%.

And according to this Sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder is between 1-4%.

Now I'm not sure if you are saying that all people who have ASPD or are psychopathic should not be allowed into society or not. But the proportion of people with these conditions is quite significant.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

Is there a sliding scale for this stuff? That's a lot more than I thought.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure, like anything in psychology and in mental health; the scales are variable and there is nothing even close to black and white.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

99.9% product of environment: including upbringing, education, support, etc.

That last 0.1% is your genetic inheritance: taller people make better basketball players.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

I think this brings us back to the discussion the other day about free will.

Everything about someone is determined, at it's core, by something outside their control. Whether that's their genes, their upbringing, or where they were born.

So really whether someone can be fundamentally bad would depend on what the definition is. I would say there are bad people but it's not their fault.

[-] Axisential@lemmy.nz 3 points 11 months ago

I have two kids who are so different in temperament that's it's just not funny. Considering they are only separated by 2 years, one has to assume their upbringings were pretty similar, so that leaves genetics as the primary driver. If you take this to its logical extreme, you would have to find people whose genetic combination is such that no amount of nurture and 'good' upbringing could ever compensate.

So yes, I believe there are some people out there who are just fundamentally at odds with what society would define as a 'good person', from the outset. Horrible thought (Divergent, anyone?!) but they're sort of buggered from the start aren't they...

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

I feel like I've read a book that talked about reasons humans seem to have more diverse personalities amongst a sibling group compared to most animals. I'm afraid I can't remember what the book was or what it's conclusions were, though 🙁

I'm pretty sure there are studies that look at this though, in particular with twins, especially identical twins, as part of that old nature vs nurture debate.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

I have 3 boys, they are all very different; the oldest is very academic, but he has issues relating to people; the middle one is kind and thoughtful, very imaginative and funny; the youngest is very physical, loves to play and push and just be active.

All of them are similar is a bunch of ways; but there are differences and I have to assume there is a genetic component.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 months ago

It does get back to the free will discussion. As someone who falls firmly on the freewill does exist, line of reasoning.

I think what upbringing does is restrict the types of choices that you can make. The "worse" your upbringing; the fewer choices that occur to you.

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