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Background: I’m Chinese by origin but grew up in the west. He’s English. He’s kind of a LIB but in a lefty way and has been with me to China multiple times, we’ve been together for years. He has had misconceptions before but is always learning. He does go on Reddit still, mostly to talk about land value tax which is his big political obsession right now.

Anyway last night we were at dinner and talking about an idea for a project that’s like quora but with only expert/academic researchers as responders. Part of it would need a reputation rating for the researchers. We were then talking about the use cases/audience for the project and I said “this might be better suited to Asia” (because of how highly education is valued and the pressure on kids to study/achieve grades). And he immediately responded “because they’re used to social credit scores?” Like. Without missing a beat. Maybe I’m overthinking it but it really pissed me off that his first association when I mentioned Asia was… this.

We talked about it and he explained that the concept was already in his mind when he was thinking about the reputation system so it wasn’t just a reaction to Asia specifically. But he insisted that he knew social credit scores were a real thing. I think he did listen when I said these types of jokes were what made Reddit such a hostile environment to be in, though.

I’m not sure what I’m asking but I just wanted to get it off my chest. Does anyone maybe have resources on internet Sinophobia / explanation of where the social credit stuff came from I can share with him?

Thanks crew. Sorry that was so long x

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[–] thisonethatone@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

I recommend teaching him that the social credit score only applies to the wealthy and draw parallels to the west's "social credit score"- credit scores.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Tell her you’ve subtracted 300 points from her social credit score for being a liberal.

[–] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Instead of getting offended, maybe explain what it really is then? If the social credit context fits well with the use case you two were discussing, what is the issue with it being bought up? He insists it was real, but if its not then explain to him where he is wrong then?

I understand there's western propaganda, but if social credit really is not a thing then be patient and help to deprogram him

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

don't tell people not to be offended by bigotry directed their way. what the fuck is wrong with you?

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Instead of getting offended

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[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Other comrades are a bit hostile, understandable given how federated folks tend to engage. I'll try to have a good faith discussion since I have a decent amount of patience today, I can't write it all out so please mind that I'll have you do some of your own homework if you want to know what is genuinely true or false.

I linked this podcast in a comment to this post, here's a USian who is well versed in legal matters (he reads and interprets Chinese legal documents) who explains what the deal is with social credit.

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[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

he explained that the concept was already in his mind when he was thinking about the reputation system so it wasn’t just a reaction to Asia specifically.

To give him one minor defence, I also immediately thought social credit when I saw "reputation rating". I don't know your partner and I may have been primed by the thread title, but I can't say I wouldn't have said the same thing if my mind had already gone to that and you had said "this might be better suited to Asia" without explaining why. That comes with the qualifier that I am autistic and bad at interpretting subtext or implications face-to-face, so guessing what people are thinking and getting it wrong happens to me a lot, and I feel you would be aware he does it if it was.

he insisted that he knew social credit scores were a real thing.

Find out what he is specifically thinking of when he talks about social credit scores so you can debunk the relevent parts - There is an actual social credit system, but it almost certainly doesn't look like he thinks it does if he thinks "they're used to social credit scores". ~~Show him where he's mistaken speculation for facts (e.g there being an actual numerical score), compare and contrast specific elements to other country's systems, show him the difference between actual implementation and temporary local experiments or private implementations, and above all emphasise the racist elements of its presentation to the west - like it being an "asian" thing rather than Chinese specifically, that it's authoritarian rather than having 80% public approval and only 1% disapproval, and the massive exagerations of what it does and how wide spread it is.~~ Nvm I saw your comment about him not knowing what it is. Act dumb like abc said, and keep "that sounds kinda racist..." handy. If you're in contact with any family members still in China ask them about what effect it has on them to relay to him, too - If they do live somewhere with a program they've still probably been less effected by it than he has been by his regular credit score. Emphasise that they know less about it than him, and he doesn't know anything about it.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Do we finally have someone from that instance who doesn't just swallow the State Department line on AES?

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