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Sony Steals Customers' Purchased Content - Piracy is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED! (odysee.com)

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 141 points 7 months ago

Once again: if paying for it isn't owning it, then not paying for it isn't stealing it.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

That's why the term piracy exists.

[-] smik@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 7 months ago

In German we say Raubkopie which translates to "robbery copy". It sounds metal but linguistically puts it right next to actual robbery which is kinda insane.

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[-] DreamySweet@ani.social 70 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I stopped supporting Sony when they took away access to games I purchased for my PSP. I will not purchase another Sony product until I can play Patapon on my PSP go without pirating it.

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 22 points 7 months ago

Pon-pon-pata-pon!

[-] DreamySweet@ani.social 7 points 7 months ago

The song that drove my mother insane.

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[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 67 points 7 months ago

Sony has always treated its customers like absolute trash from the get go. As a kid, I had a stereo that ended up dying. They weaselled out of the warranty. Flash forward to my Sony headphones where one ear died and they did the same. Forward again to my Ericsson phone whose screen died due to “water damage” (the markers were triggered by a friend who worked in their repair department said all phones on high humidity zones were always triggered because back then phones weren’t even dust proof). They sent it back refusing to fix it.

Since then they have been on my embargo list. One of the worst companies for caring about their customers.

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[-] people@kbin.social 59 points 7 months ago

I still remember the Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal.

[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah another stellar case in point to show Sony would rather you eat glass than have to do anything for you.

Let’s not forget the ridiculous court case against Geohotz for jail breaking the PS3. They pulled out every dirty tactic they could in that suit. Really showed their colours and how they actually “fight” in the court of law.

Scum of the earth.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 13 points 7 months ago

My last straw was when they killed OtherOS on the PS3, which was very much part of my purchasing decision. Sure, it was kneecapped from the start (Linux still ran under the hypervisor, could not use the GPU, and was only given 6 Cell cores), but it was there. At least I got a $60 check from the class action settlement!

Bunch of cocksuckers. I have not purchased a Sony product since.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

You see, they wanted all the benefits of being able to use OtherOS in their marketing. But they didn’t want you to actually use it!

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Basically. In Sony's case, they were clearly afraid of homebrew games, but I still can't imagine any other rationale than what you said for killing the feature, especially as neutered as it was. It definitely taught me a lesson about buying products that can't be kill switched after purchase. The US Air Force even built a cluster of 1700 PS3s that relied on this feature. I'm sure they weren't routable to the internet to get updates though.

[-] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago

Sony are one of the most anti consumer companies around, yet their diehard fans and the gaming media especially just give them a free pass. It’s disgusting.

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 7 points 7 months ago

We never got those things here, everything was already pirated 😂.

[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

The Sony minidisc players were decent hardware, but the app that loaded music onto the discs was completely garbage.

It would set the bit rate down to sub 40kbps(so it looked like you had mp3 Cd levels of storage, and would move the original music files it "loaded" deep into %appdata% to try and hide the originals from you.

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[-] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I remember my friends mom got an s3 and the water damage tag was triggered before they even left the store, they tried to exchange it for another one but it was triggered too.

I'm still convinced that many of them were purposely triggered so they could deny warranty claims. It makes too much sense.(I know s series isn't sony, I just mean most companies do this).

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Years ago when I still bought music from Apple my entire library disappeared. I could log in, but nothing was there. I didn't bother with customer service, in an hour I had all my music back and it was mine.

[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 42 points 7 months ago

Wasn't it Sony that released an album that'd root your system? Bunch of criminals if you ask me.

[-] fox@beehaw.org 28 points 7 months ago

Yep

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 9 points 7 months ago

Wow that's even worse than I thought. Especially that they included copyleft software.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 38 points 7 months ago

Sony has always been an industry leader in consumer abuse.

[-] tio_bira@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Nah, that would be Nintendo

[-] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago

TBF, he said "an" leader not "the" leader

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In my opinion the wrong thing is getting the focus because legally Sony nor WB stole from anyone in the legal sense. I know it is unethical, but unfortunately that is not a winning argument in the business or legal worlds. The winning thing to do here is popularize the notion that "buying" from these services is not really buying and no one should do it. While at the same time popularizing the idea that any content tied to such a model is not worth consuming.

By pirating it it is just proving there is some value in these products even with all of the BS the rights holders tie them down with. The message needs to be sent in a way executives and lawyers understand that when you make your product customer hostile to obtain legally you make that product effectively worthless and the customer will go elsewhere for their entertainment. Including DRM has to cost them more than they stand to lose from those that will pirate it anyway. Because money is all executives and lawyers understand.

This would also effectively create a demand for smaller projects not tied down with all of that DRM shit that maybe some enterprising people would start to fill.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.

[-] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

IMO Piracy is completely justified regardless...

But that said, wouldn't it be the content owner rather than Sony (who is a third party platform) who is to blame for justifying it in this particular case? (based on the iamge here which seems to imply that the content owner is the one pulling the content rather than sony itself).

Dn't get me wrong, not saying the situation is good. or that Sony is a good company. Only that they don't appear to be the ones instigating this move unless I am missing some other info. FWIW, I lost all hope in the idea of a pro-consumer way of doign streaming content ages ago and have been flying the black flag for years so I guess this just doesnt seem like aynthing new to me. I willntt even consiedr paying for netflix, prime, disnet, hbo, hulu, or whateve else. Maybe if they stop being greedy fuckwits and come up with a something fair for consumers I'll consider but until then, fuck the loto f them.

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[-] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So, I don't think you're wrong but I think there was another way to do this.

A live example is the Deadpool game on steam. The original game is no longer available and cannot be purchased, bought, rented, or anything. However, if you bought it, you still have access to downloading it.

The reason? The new deadpool IP shredded the contracts with the original game developers primarily because the voice actors weren't the ones everyone is now accustomed to (mostly ryan reynolds).

Steam managed to allow the content owners to be able to download and install the game without any problems while also complying with the new terms surrounding the deadpool ip.

This is primarily sony's fault, in my opinion, because they chose not to go to bat for their customer base and opted to fuck over their own customers. If they do not refund everyone for all the content then anything sony has ever made should be pirated by everyone from now on because it's clear that ownership no longer exists and if I can't own anything, then I also can't steal anything because clearly no one 'owns' it if even the people that paid for it cannot use it.

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