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There is a substantial amount of spam and NSFW posts on the All page coming through already. Most NSFW posts aren't being tagged as such and are coming right through. I am not sure how this can be weathered but we need something in place fairly soon, I feel like we are days away from rivers of bad stuff, especially via some of the federated instances.

EDIT: I personally don't care much about the NSFW aspect, more in the lines of what a newcomer will be seeing when they get to the main page. 99% of the newcomers don't know / care about federation and have no idea how to turn that off. Liability for the server owner is also an element of consideration.

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[–] ernest@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I have added the option to set the entire magazine as +18, including remote. Please provide me with those here in the comments that require action.

[–] Skrounge@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is it possible to have separate nsfw tags for nudity Vs gore or is all gore supposed to be tagged nsfl instead. Because that was something I thought Reddit should have had different, if you turn off nsfw, you miss alot of things that are '18+' that aren't nudity. If that makes any sense.

[–] BasicTraveler@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Granularity would be awesome for NSFW tags.

[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

It's something that took Reddit forever to do. NSFW, NSFL/GORE, and SPOILER are very important tags/filters to have.

[–] Xathonn@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Yes please! That's something people have been asking for on reddit for so long. Would be great to have that added early into development

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Given that folks are saying the main source is an instance called lemmynsfw.com, perhaps it would be useful to have an option to set an entire instance as having that flag? I'm foreseeing a future where instances tend to be subject-specific so something like that seems like it'd be pretty handy.

[–] fax_of_the_shadow@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there a way to block an entire instance? Because in my kbin.social settings I have "hide adult content" turned ON and yet I keep getting posts from lemmynsfw in my feed and my sidebar of random recent posts.

[–] olrik@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How do you do that as a normal user, I can't seem to see it my preferences.

[–] fax_of_the_shadow@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There's this option for me in the main settings page on kbin.

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[–] jdp23@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Several people here are saying that the bulk of it is coming from lemmynsfw. If so then it may well be best to defederate in the short term to buy time for a better solution (like marking everything from there NSFW automatically, either by a lemmy enhancement on their end or a kbin enhancement here)

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[–] lixus98@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have plans on adding another admin to help with moderation?

[–] ernest@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Definitely, in the upcoming days, apart from staying in close contact with the maintainers, I would like a;so to build a moderation team. That is a priority. However, I first need to urgently address and take care of a few matters.

[–] lixus98@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Thanks for answering, keep it up!

[–] jazmichaelking@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

IFTAS (about.iftas.org) may be able to help with this, happy to discuss.

[–] ernest@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

@jazmichaelking Thank you, I will look into it.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bizarrely I think this is an example of the success of the services as they grow. Increase in use reveals problems that people didn't realise were there, which allows them to be fixed.

In this case, NSFW tags not being applied manually. As others have pointed out, NSFW tags might be better applied globally depending on either the hosting service &/or community.

It's a test of the fediverse which I have no doubt will be resolved.

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[–] McBinary@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

If posts are tagged nfsw, then they'll be blurred, but unfortunately people aren't consistently using the nsfw tag. Most of the nsfw content is coming from lemmynsfw.com - I've asked one of the admins over there if they can just auto-apply the tag to any post on their instance with media attached.

They replied that they are looking into it.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

... or you can just block lemmynsfw.com

[–] minorsecond@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can that be done by users account level or does ernest have to do it for the entire instance?

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[–] Mugox@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The NSFW blur is sometimes not applied correctly. For example if you have turned on displaying Avatars (or Magazine icons) then those elements are blurred instead of the post preview itself - at least that's my experience on Vivaldi browser. Styling might be interpreted differently on other browsers. And sometimes it takes a second to apply the style (I think after page reload) so if it's high up there on the list one might still see NSFW content unblured.

[–] Pbody@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me it blurs the thumbnail correctly but I have preview media on and it does not blur the preview. I wish this was an option as I like having the larger preview on mobile but don't want random porn while I scroll out in the world lol. Otherwise kbin has been nothing but wonderful. So glad to be here!

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[–] HawkMan@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

if you have previews on. The little wide thumbnail is blurred. And then right below the full image loads in full screen un-blurred.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

Defederate, massively

Beehaw has more than 380 instances blocked. I don't think that kbin blocks anything, where can we see the list?

edit: I see a lot of downvote. You DO understand that some instances are sharing lolita stuff and the police can close the servers of Ernest depending on what is federated? Right?

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I think defederating may be knee jerk at this stage? Beehaw seems to have defederated because they vet users and are worried about unvetted users flooding their service; that's a fundamental community position rather than a fediverse issue. In this case it's more about tags not being applied correctly and how to improve that process (e.g. automation based on server or community posted to).

Defederating or blocking specific instances/servers seems like it should be a last resort - e.g. if a service is lax about moderation or refuses to deal with issues then it makes sense.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I've blocked a NSFW server where stuff was untagged

[–] gus@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I disagree. I really think closing ourselves off to a bunch of places goes against the spirit of the fediverse. I want to be getting content from a lot of places which I can then filter out and control myself, and I feel like kbin supports that mindset well. I understand why some would want to defederate and close themselves off, but I don't want kbin.social turning into beehaw. If you're looking for a more controlled instance, join them

These platforms are still pretty early in their infancy and I don't think they were quite mature enough to take on this sudden influx of users (through no fault of anyone). There's going to be some growing pains but we'll get through it and this platform will get better from it

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think that you fully understand the scale of illegal stuff that is transiting on the fediverse, and by illegal I mean "FBI illegal". You don't want it stored on Ernest's servers. Some instances are blocked for a very good reason, even you would agree.

BTW I already switch to defederate and I blocked NSFW, but we all have to take into consideration the risks for Ernest, because in fine he is the one hosting the pictures.

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[–] jdp23@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

To the contrary: defederation from instances in situations like this is very much in the spirit of the the fediverse. Not attaching NSFW tags to NSFW content is a major moderation fail by lemmynsfw, and restricting content from badly-moderated instances until they get things cleaned up is something that frequently happens.

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