The Crisis Over American Manhood Is Really Code for Something Else (www.politico.com)

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[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

When it comes to iron determination, strength of character, courage, resilience and sheer power and scope, a man manlier than all of us was Fred Rogers.

He was a pretty tough sonuvabitch. He saw a whole generation of children frightened by a bold new world, and did something about it. Could you do this?

https://youtu.be/fKy7ljRr0AA

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I'm a big fan of the Two Rogers Rule.

"If Steve or Fred wouldn't do it, neither should you."

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

My mother will go on and on about how much I loved watching Mister Rogers Neighborhood as a kid, he was a major contributor to my moral compass and his journey is inspiring

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[-] lolola@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Somehow, just about every time elite American men look at virtually any sociological change, they see a crisis of masculinity.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

And always a panic about the morals and life skills of the next generation. I've always hated "kids these days" arguments

Although, now that I'm getting older and I work in higher education, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between actual need for educational reform to fit the modern climate and the relaxing of standards and rigor in higher ed. Is the crisis that we need to do a better job teaching students not to cheat, or do we just need to change how we write tests? Etc.

Anyways, get off of my lawn and thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[-] irkli@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

"Manhood" and masculinity are stupid ideologies.

[-] Moosemouse 7 points 1 year ago

Manhood or masculinity is perfectly fine so long as it’s a personal decision and you don’t judge others to whatever you’ve decided is the “standard”

If you want to wear plaid with an 18 inch beard and chop wood, awesome. Just don’t tell me thats the only standard for “a man”

[-] t0lo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

They can be fun and provide a lot of guidance for people in a world which otherwise has very little. It's important for people to be able to celebrate who they are.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This article and every other article they link to in this series is written by a woman. A series discussing manhood and masculinity. I said it the last time an article like this was posted and I'll say it again. Women writing articles about masculinity should be viewed in much the same way as men writing articles about women. They have no perspective in what it means to be a man or what masculinity is or is not.

Edit: Adjusted wording per another reply.

[-] Wookie_the_Ewok@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with some of what you say but "abhorrent trend " is a bit much. If anything I think it's more of and eye roll.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's probably fair. Perhaps a little overly reactive on my part.

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Elites... teach us??? Hmm, no.

Unless they're teaching us where not to stick the pitchforks.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

They like to influence the fucking morons of this country with non-stop testosterone-capitalism. They know exactly what they are doing -- marketing towards conservative cowards who didn't sign up to go to war.

look at the trucks, the beards, the hair -- they wall want to be operators SO badly without actually doing anything.

[-] danhasnolife@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Great article. Insightful and over a longer time horizon than I expected

[-] astral@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Initially, the article brought up a lot of cool things about masculinity, which I didn’t know: notably about how society, sees a crisis of masculinity, at every social change.

However, the article did not wrap this up at all. It resorted to talking about essentially a religious convention, and Trump rally. Then referenced so-called “philosophers” and “scholars” akin to Joe Rogan. This isn’t a fair comparison, it’s literally asking a podcast host to solve a huge social issue.

Additionally for some reason referencing how white men don’t even belong in America because it’s native land; when that is a whole separate issue that we can talk about and needs to be addressed but distracts from the article title.

I would love to talk about this more, but this article really drags men’s mental health + belonging in the dirt and undermines anyone trying to legitimately help men belong in this world in a non-toxic and fulfilling way.

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