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Bar owner is arrested after St. Louis police officer crashes into his business (www.seattletimes.com)

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[-] _wizard@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

ACAB

[-] cashsky@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

Fucking pigs.

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Fucking nuts. There was NEVER a reasonable reason to detain him. Crashing into someone's house does not give you reasonable suspicion for an investigation. That's not how it fucking works. I don't understand why the prosecutor would even want to touch these bullshit charges.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 23 points 6 months ago

Seems like if the owners are guilty of anything worthy of arrest, the pigs are guilty of property damage, assault and battery, attempted murder (all these add "with a deadly weapon" for the fact that they're armed and a 2000lb metal box is certainly deadly) , reckless driving, and a litany of other crimes that should land them in prison with life-crippling fines.

[+] LufyCZ@lemmy.world -28 points 6 months ago

Attempted murder is an insane stretch and it devalues your whole comment.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

He intended to crash a vehicle. Vehicles are commonly viewed as deadly weapons when used as one. It is not a stretch what so ever.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Did I miss the part where it was intentional?

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

No, I just do not believe cops what so ever. At least the angry pigs that love throwing their undeserved power around.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I don't trust them either, and I have plenty of personal experience to back that. Experience going back decades, when they were far worse.

Back to attempted murder, that's ludicrous. Cop fucked up and crashed, for whatever reason. They try to get away from responsibility by raising a fuss. Been there, done that. I can tell stories all night.

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago

He intended to crash a vehicle.

That’s not the same as intent to kill someone. Murder requires intent, without that it becomes manslaughter

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think it'd depend. There are degrees of murder. You can ABSOLUTELY get charged with murder if someone dies due to extreme reckless neglegence in some jurisdictions.

It's kinda' exactly why Derek Chauvin is in jail. He never intended to kill anyone, but he was so insanely reckless and careless. He was found guilty of BOTH lesser degrees of murder and manslaughter.

For a more direct example, just look up all the street racers that get charged with murder.

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Unintentional second degree murder is Minnesota’s version of felony murder. Felony murder does not require intent.

Third degree murder in Minnesota requires a “depraved mind” which the example from this story wouldn’t meet.

Edit: As a resident of Minnesota who studied the laws in both my Criminal Code and Criminal Law and Procedure classes, the incident from this article would not meet requirements for murder charges.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago

So if I decide to crash into a tree, do I get charged with attempted murder?

Even in cases of reckless driving, the charge is manslaughter, proving murder is gonna be hard unless there's evidence of premeditation

[-] nuez_jr@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Crashing into a tree would be charged as treeson.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Do we have a /c/treelaw yet?

[-] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

Deciding to crash into a person is attempted murder. People live in houses.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

They crashed into a place of business (as said in the article) at 1230am. No people are around shops at that time.

Your argument would never stand in court.

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

It was a bar so it’s very likely there were people around but it would still be hard to prove intent to kill.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Is that why the owner and others were still in the building? You're literally making shit up that doesn't even apply here.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Cops shoot people driving cars and claim it was for officer safety because the person could have run them over all the time.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

How is that in any way relevant?

The officers crashed into a building, nobody started shooting ever in this case.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Cops lie on official paperwork all the time. "Turnabout is fair play". It's not been a long thread, but if you're having that much trouble keeping track of the conversation, you can read the thread history before responding to remember what we're talking about currently.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago

If person driving = using a deadly weapon to justify shooting at the driver then cop driving = using a deadly weapon.

[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Statement from one of the owners:

“I feel like the situation has been handled horribly all the way around,” Pence said in an interview. He added: “All they needed to do was take responsibility, admit they had an accident and handle it differently.”

Hate to tell you buddy, but you've got a better chance of winning the lottery.

Statement from one of the cops (disputed by owners' attorney):

An officer identified in police records as John Pierce accused Morris of striking him “in the chest with an open hand,” causing him to lose his balance, according to police records.

How does a grown person use this to justify violence or arrest without feeling deeply ashamed at having taken a job as a cop despite being such an absolutely fragile human being?

[-] Unaware7013@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago

How does a grown person use this to justify violence or arrest without feeling deeply ashamed at having taken a job as a cop despite being such an absolutely fragile human being.

They took the job because they're so deeply fragile and completely lacking in shame, why would they feel bad about it?

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They definitely crashed the car on purpose. So they could beat the gay couple who own and live above the bar.

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

They were absolutely lifting it on the video and managed to get spooked by a parked car and swerved across the road.

It didn't seem intentional just very embarrassingly poor skilled.

Their first intuition told them to arrest someone.

Cunts

[-] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

St Louis metro cops are fucked up on their own supplies.

[-] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Haha, I live in Seattle and I'm from St. Louis.

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